1 posted on
06/14/2013 4:19:51 AM PDT by
Kaslin
To: Kaslin
In roughly a hundred days...the bulk of the American population has gone to distrust of the federal government....rather than trust. I don’t see anything being supported much...from immigration reform, to tax reform. Firing people....wont’ change that prospective either.
To: Kaslin
If there was any doubt left that the federal government was not our enemy...........
3 posted on
06/14/2013 4:23:27 AM PDT by
catfish1957
(Hey NSA Goon watching FR... Suck this - > |=====>)
To: Kaslin
Snowden is a nobody. The real story is a massive domestic spying scandal and the utter stupidity that allows thousands of people like Snowden to have access along with unknown numbers of Chinese nationals with that same access.
This get Snowden crap is like bad soviet propaganda.
4 posted on
06/14/2013 4:28:14 AM PDT by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: Kaslin
5 posted on
06/14/2013 4:31:09 AM PDT by
LyinLibs
(If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
To: Kaslin
What it all comes down to is TRUST. As long as people trust in something, Government, patriotism, the dollar, etc. all is fine, but trust has an implicit factor in it, FIRST do no harm to those who trust in you to do the right thing.
Like ALL tools the NSA and their wide gathering of data is trusted not to harm the average citizen of the country. In return they are given willful ignorance and acceptance that the information so gathered will not be used to harm them capriciously. It’s meant to guard us from the Wolves that want to prey upon us.
But also like ALL tools it can be misused and harm the very people who trusted the tool to do only good things. And that’s where we are at now, many if not most people do NOT trust this government and fear that these tools are being used to not protect us from the wolves but to protect the wolves from us and to allow the wolves to prey upon us at their pleasure.
To: Kaslin
Sometimes we have but one chance to speak up for right. The warnings were there when Bush 2 continued down this slide. It is a terrible burden to carry for the person who has the information Snowden had. I believe his intentions were only honorable and done with every good intention.
9 posted on
06/14/2013 4:37:09 AM PDT by
Ramonne
To: Kaslin
"But Snowden did, and rather than step with courage into an American courtroom to make his case and dare our system to punish him for his perceived heroism,..."
According to official political speech of those who sponsor the media and offer the choices in socialist political candidates of various political parties, he'd have never made it to a courtroom. He'd have been tortured, sodomized and assassinated to the cheers of those sponsors, and it would have all been legal.
12 posted on
06/14/2013 4:39:20 AM PDT by
familyop
(We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
To: Kaslin
Heres an idea: How about if we wait for abuse to occur before we lament it?How are we supposed to know when that abuse has occurred?
13 posted on
06/14/2013 4:39:29 AM PDT by
Fresh Wind
(The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
To: Kaslin
The next act in this charade is the Unbelievably Large Terror Event(s), in which the cry for government to ‘do something’ drown out any analysis of ‘how the hell did this happen?’.
That’s when the IRS and NSA converge, and the circle is complete.
The only question is... how long will it take?
16 posted on
06/14/2013 4:43:26 AM PDT by
IncPen
(When you start talking about what we 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
To: Kaslin
I had the very same position as the Patriot Act was being hammered out while smoke still rose from Ground Zero. The deciding factor in my decision to support it was the faith I placed in George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to use that information to catch terrorists without spying on my phone calls and e-mails.In other words, this hack is perfectly fine with living in a neo-stasi police state but only if the thug ruling it has an R next to his name.
17 posted on
06/14/2013 4:51:38 AM PDT by
Orangedog
(An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
To: Kaslin
RE :”
But Snowden did, and rather than step with courage into an American courtroom to make his case and dare our system to punish him for his perceived heroism, he hunkers in Hong Kong, happy to let its people and its justice system handle his fate.
He is missing out on a certain love-fest he would receive here from Americans more worried about potential Orwellian nightmares than the real threat of Jihad. “ There are merits to both sides of that argument but the real unanswered and un pursued question is : why did Snowden get access to that information in the first place?”
Why did a GED level IT specialist have a ‘need-to-know’ to get access to it anyway?
That is the problem congress should be fixing first.
18 posted on
06/14/2013 4:54:46 AM PDT by
sickoflibs
(To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
To: Kaslin
Is this the idiot who subs for Rush?
21 posted on
06/14/2013 5:01:21 AM PDT by
Theophilus
(Not merely prolife, but prolific)
To: Kaslin
But Snowden did, and rather than step with courage into an American courtroom to make his case and dare our system to punish him for his perceived heroism, he hunkers in Hong Kong, happy to let its people and its justice system handle his fate.Is this supposed to be what passes for critical thinking at townhall? I put that up there with the 18th century British condemning the colonists for taking cover behind trees and large rocks instead of lining up in a row to be cut down massive vollies from the red coats.
22 posted on
06/14/2013 5:03:05 AM PDT by
Orangedog
(An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
To: Kaslin
After the My Lai Massacre, I think every whistle blower that comes forward has to be taken seriously until they are proven in court to be criminal, goof ball or someone who actually tried to do the right thing.
31 posted on
06/14/2013 6:10:01 AM PDT by
Dixie Yooper
(Ephesians 6:11)
To: Kaslin
Heres an idea: How about if we wait for abuse to occur before we lament it?By then it will probably too late, if history is any indication.
our intelligence services operate in another landscape. They are not so easily tainted.
They don't have to be. All it takes is planting some political hacks in the NSA. And then, according to DiFi:
To search the database, you have to have reasonable, articulable cause to believe that that individual is connected to a terrorist group, Feinstein told reporters. Then you can query the numbers..."
So there are utterly no checks and balances such as warrants or court orders to accessing the metadata. Such a system is designed to be abused.
32 posted on
06/14/2013 6:26:16 AM PDT by
dirtboy
To: Kaslin
My mistrust of this White House runs deep. But I retain my belief in the countless men and women of the NSA, CIA and other intelligence agencies. Their pursuits are within both reason and the law. If anyone were to subvert their tasks -- if anyone in authority were to try to use anti-terror investigative tactics to unduly spy on the innocent, we would then have genuine violations of law, and they would be called out by a genuine whistleblower, which Edward Snowden decidedly is not.After listening to Sensenbrenner on Hannity (drafter of the bill that allowed spying that has "evolved" into spying on us), I'd say that Snowden is a real whistleblower and knew that he would be squashed fast if he didn't remove himself from the scene first. The law prohibits the mass data mining being undertaken and can only be "upgraded" by going through the Congress - the agencies the author trusts have proven themselves untrustworthy.
34 posted on
06/14/2013 6:30:07 AM PDT by
trebb
(Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
To: Kaslin
Exactly the position I would expect a flake like Mark Davis to take.
59 posted on
06/14/2013 1:02:35 PM PDT by
skeeter
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