Posted on 06/11/2013 7:34:31 PM PDT by chessplayer
Update: Data-mining goes deeper than thought?
It’s not just the number of requests, it’s the scope of them. They’re not demanding records related to particular investigations anymore, they’re demanding huge troves of records on random Americans for data-mining purposes, the same thing Patriot Act co-author Jim Sensenbrenner complained about a few days ago but somehow didn’t foresee in 2001.
Yet there are FReepers who think this is simply wonderful. *sigh*
Update: What does this mean?
A leading Republican senator on Tuesday described controversial U.S. spy programs as looking far deeper into Americans’ phone records than the Obama administration has been willing to admit, fueling new privacy concerns as Congress sought to defend the surveillance systems.
“Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC., says the U.S. intelligence surveillance of phone records allows analysts to monitor U.S. phone records for a pattern of calls, even if those numbers have no known connection to terrorism.”
“Graham says the National Security Agency then matches phone numbers against known terrorists. Graham helped draft the surveillance law that governs the surveillance program.”
In other words, they’re looking for patterns among the general population that match the phone patterns of people they’ve already identified as terrorists? So they’re not limiting themselves to targeting specific terrorist-linked numbers anymore, but suspicious “patterns” too?
FReepers going to accuse Graham of being a traitor to the USSA for revealing this?
The words in post #5 are from the link. I forgot to put quote marks around them.
As decreed by Chancellor AND Fuehrer B. Hussein Obama, the Utah site for the storage of NSA, FBI, DOJ, IRS and other documents will now be known as “FEDERAL BLACKMAIL HQ” against citizens who might oppose the Obamanation Reich in the future.
Seig Heil! Seig Heil! SEIG HEIL!
The prospect of unregulated governmental monitoring will undoubtedly prove disturbing even to those with nothing illicit to hide. Many individuals, including members of unpopular political organizations or journalists with confidential sources, may legitimately wish to avoid disclosure of their personal contacts. See NAACP v. Alabama, 357 U. S. 449, 357 U. S. 463 (1958); Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U. S. 665, 408 U. S. 695 (1972); id. at 408 U. S. 728-734 (STEWART, J., dissenting). Permitting governmental access to telephone records on less than probable cause may thus impede certain forms of political affiliation and journalistic endeavor that are the hallmark of a truly free society. Particularly given the Government’s previous reliance on warrantless telephonic surveillance to trace reporters’ sources and monitor protected political activity,
I am unwilling to insulate use of pen registers from independent judicial review. —from the dissenting opinions in the 1979 scotus decision that was later overturned by a 1988 congressional act.
“FReepers going to accuse Graham of being a traitor to the USSA for revealing this?”
No, he’s a traitor for his support of the illegal invasion across the southern border.
Lindsey doesn’t even know what side of this issue he’s on. He’s mad at the NSA, but he condemns the man who exposed this monstrosity.
Lindsey Graham via Twitter:
“I view Mr. Snowdens’ actions not as one of patriotism but potentially a felony.”
Yet there are FReepers who think this is simply wonderful. *sigh*
Yup. In the same breath they will rage at him for being a dictator and then applaud his spying on them. Go figure.
I don’t understand how this is constitutional or even acceptable to any thinking person. Give the government - give ANYONE - this kind of power and it will be abused. It’s human nature.
One must also inquire re the looseness with which they and the approvers defines the parameters of the patriot act. Is it under the act or BO and co. S interpretation aiming to blame bush in the most convenient manner
Sounds like MCI friends and family on steroids.
They vet the enemy and it is us.
Monitoring will eventually be used politically (already has I suspect). That has been clear since the Patriot Act was first passed and the scope is greater now. Of course, no one in DC would use this vast power which could keep them in charge indefinitely.
I doubt it. There are FReepers like me that support law enforcement getting records they need for specific investigations through the courts. That is how it has worked for years. That is how FISA was supposed to work. But that’s not what they are doing. They issued one order to VZ and asked for all records for all their customers over a 3 month period.
“”What was not explained at the time, Chesney notes, is that the FBI was using the Section 215 requests to obtain a broad array of records. For example, a top-secret FISC order disclosed last week by the Guardian showed that the FBI had used a single Section 215 request to direct Verizon to turn over “all call detail records or telephony metadata’’ of its customers for a three month period, literally millions of records.”
Enough of this BS. It needs to go back to classic surveillance processes established for years. The Patriot Act needs to be scrapped. Many of us feared this would happen and it did.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3029860/posts
See above thread for pathetic examples of Freepers defending this crap.
See if you can spot at least one FReeper who thinks it's totally wonderful that the NSA is spying on us all.
"I have no use for folks who don't place the Defense of this great Country above any other considerations."
Like freedom and liberty.
Osama is dead! Al Quida is on the run! Which justifies the 1000% increase of snooping on the American people.
Does not compute!
and a lot quicker than we ever imagined
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