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To: MarMema
These effects were more dependent on the formulation than on the glyphosate concentration.

That's because the adjuvants are the likely culprit in Seralini's study, not glyphosate itself. If you want to ban all such chemicals, ban detergents.

And what do you know but, Seralini poured those concentrations directly on cells, which has NOTHING to do with true real-world dosages.

The bottom line on Seralini is very simple- his two previous publications in the same area have been reviewed by the Europeans already, and have been found wanting. This is scientific junk at its politically motivated worst.

Roundup products contain an active ingredient (glyphosate) which has extremely low mammalian toxicity as well as a surfactant (detergent) to help penetrate the waxy plant cuticle. It thus comes as no surprise that other components are more toxic to animals than glyphosate- so are table salt, aspirin, and caffeine. All soaps and detergents dissolve fats- that is what makes them work. Naked cells in the bottom of a petri dish are protected only by the cell membrane- made of fats- and guess what- if you put detergent on them, they don't do so well. Monsanto has replicated Seralini's work with a bit more care and variety of materials. While Seralini measures a variety of outcomes (like hormone production) in cell lines chosen more for political value than scientific merit, the bottom line is that detergents disrupt cellular energy production by destroying membrane integrity.

The reality check here is that we all use soaps and detergents all the time- hair shampoo, liquid soaps, laundry detergents, diswashing soaps, etc. Exposure estimates indicate that LESS THAN 1% OF SURFACTANT EXPOSURE COMES FROM PESTICIDE RESIDUES- all the rest of it you are pouring on your dishes, in your washing machine, and over the top of your babies.

Not a problem?? Not a surprise- last I looked you were probably NOT a collection of naked cells living at the bottom of a petri dish and waiting for Dr. Seralini to pour on the Roundup. All those soaps, detergents, and sanitizers are, among other uses, INTENDED to kill those nasty, unprotected lower organisms that thrive on household surfaces!!

A real cell impact of glyphosate-based herbicides residues in food, feed or in the environment has thus to be considered,

Green groups have been funding research to prove that for thirty years. There have been hundreds of studies on glyphosate and it remains among the most benign herbicides available. Don't think those groups don't have the money to fund such work. You can get hysterical about detergent all you want, but you'll have to come up with a list of alternatives I don't think you have, unless you're looking to induce global disease and starvation.

186 posted on 05/31/2013 6:03:24 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I’m more interested in whether glyphosphate or the ‘inactive’ ingredients interact with the human microbiome. Because, as it turns out, that’s pretty much the whole ball of wax wrt human health. Lack of a human metabolic pathway using glyhphosphate/etc might be irrelevant wrt its overall health effects.

I’m not aware of any studies on the effects of glyphosphate or the ‘inactive ingredients’ on the microbiome.


190 posted on 05/31/2013 7:50:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Carry_Okie
Most studies seem to show an enhanced toxicity because of the adjuvants. And that makes sense since that is what adjuvants are supposed to do, be enhancers. To suggest it is only the adjuvants involved in any kind of cell death is not going to fly far.

Dish soap doesn't have warnings on it for skin irritation last time I checked. Nor do people swallowing dish soap suffer from renal impairment and sometimes death.

People who have deliberately swallowed Roundup have died in a few hours. I seriously doubt a surfactant did this.

Soap is intended to kill bacteria, not human cells in culture - which none of us have sitting around on our kitchen counters, and admittedly can be tough to keep alive at times ( unless it is the HELA immortalized line, ha ha - that's a great book btw!)

Oh and back to the original topic, which was I think damage to reproduction, here is another mention of it. hope this link works

221 posted on 05/31/2013 10:34:23 AM PDT by MarMema
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