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To: skeeter
Weirdly there seems to be nothing between “stop” and blamblamblam in any of the police training manuals anymore.

Really?

I'm wondering what your expertise on this subject that you purport to have, really is.

Through personal experience and sharing notes with friends are relatives who've been through: CBP, Social Security, Post Office, State Police (4 states), Local Police (5 jurisdictions), and other varied Federal LEO agencies (at least three), we've all been briefed on the UFC (Use of Force Continuum)

1. Physical Presence
2. Verbal Command
3. Intermediate Force
4. Intermediate Force Weapons
5. Lethal Force

So what police training manuals have you been reading... anymore?

93 posted on 05/29/2013 7:42:00 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: South Hawthorne

Ok genius. In case you have not figured it out, the Police Manuals, the SOP, are THE problem.

Cops are trained to be trigger happy. That is THE problem.

Cops are trained to kill and kill quick. No De-escalation required.


107 posted on 05/29/2013 8:52:56 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: South Hawthorne

Just to round out the argument:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/cops-being-trained-to-treat-cell-phone-as-guns-videos-2659122.html

Justify your training. Legitimize tyrannical, stupid, brutish, thug like behavior. Justify big Gubment. Better yet, go home and gnaw on all that gubment cheese in your pantry. Too many years on the public dole will affect ones judgment to be sure.


109 posted on 05/29/2013 9:15:38 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: South Hawthorne
I didn't "purport" to read any police manuals.

What I do "purport" to read are newspapers. Maybe you should start reading more of those.

119 posted on 05/30/2013 6:10:41 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: South Hawthorne

First off, this is my local Costco and either myself or the wife are there with some regularity, so I paid a bit more attention.

Having cops in the family and understanding the difficulties of the job, my usual reaction is to give them the benefit of the doubt in this type of situation. HOWEVER, I do want to hear an explanation as to why 8 cops felt that they were in serious enough danger to fire what is being reported as 6-8 shots in a crowded store. Additionally, the fact that the suspect was hit ONCE and a deputy was wounded by friendly fire in a case where the suspect did not have a firearm, and was presumably at close range, makes me wonder about both the judgment and the marksmanship of our local law enforcement here in Loudoun County.

Just for context, aside from a small portion of Leesburg, Loudoun County experiences essentially ZERO violent crime and has the highest income level in the country. The typical sheriff’s deputy is about 25 years old and spends the majority of his time parked at stop signs looking to hand out tickets for overdue inspections. My interactions with them have always been perfectly pleasant, and they seem to be decent people, but we’re not talking about grizzled beat cops working the South Bronx.

I’ll reserve judgment until all the facts are in, but I think there are some questions to be answered here on first blush.


120 posted on 05/30/2013 6:31:17 AM PDT by Lonely NY Conservative
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