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To: Ray76
Natural born citizen is a unitary phrase, no part of it can be omitted without changing the fundamental meaning of the phrase.

No, it isn't.

And "natural born citizen" and "natural born subject" are KNOWN to have been used in an absolutely synonymous way in the early United States.

You have no word of any Founder, Framer, or any real legal authority in history to back up that claim. It's BS.

344 posted on 05/13/2013 5:13:58 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

The capabilities of the ball - big, red, or big and red - are unchanged.

The capabilities of a citizen - natural, born, or natural born - do change.

Proclaiming something is “BS” is not persuasive. Show the error, not what someone else said about this or that, you show the specific error.

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How states used citizen and subject is not relevant because states grew from colonies. The United States did not. It is founded on different principles.


345 posted on 05/13/2013 5:23:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston
These posts are getting beyond stupid.

All you need to do is look at the IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT itself, and it clearly states that Cruz's Citizenship is through 'Naturalization'. I guess you can't understand that 'Naturalization' can be an automatic process.

Here is section 320, the one that applies to Cruz.

"Sec. 320. [8 U.S.C. 1431] (a) A child born outside of the United States automatically becomes a citizen of the United States when all of the following conditions have been fulfilled:

(1) At least one parent of the child is a citizen of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization.

(2) The child is under the age of eighteen years.

(3) The child is residing in the United States in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent pursuant to a lawful admission for permanent residence.

(b) Subsection (a) shall apply to a child adopted by a United States citizen parent if the child satisfies the requirements applicable to adopted children under section 101(b)(1) . "

The title of the chapter that section is in? "CHAPTER 2 -- NATIONALITY THROUGH NATURALIZATION"

Cruz is obviously a naturalized US citizen. And contrary to belief, he WAS NOT a US citizen at the time of his birth! Notice the law says "automatically becomes a citizen of the United States when all of the following conditions have been fulfilled". So, Cruz was not even a naturalized US citizen until he was 4 years old, and his family moved to the US, and condition "3" was satisfied!!!

Why do people refuse to accept the plain simple truth, if you want to change the Constitution there is a process for that, you can't simply choose to ignore whatever parts you want to, otherwise the whole thing is useless!
349 posted on 05/14/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by MMaschin
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