Posted on 05/06/2013 7:09:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
Ted Cruz’s address at the annual South Carolina Republican Party dinner Friday helped feed growing speculation that the freshman senator from Texas is eyeing a run for the White House in 2016 — and raised yet another round of questions about his eligibility to serve in the Oval Office.
Mr. Cruz was born in Canada to an American-born mother and Cuban-born father, and was a citizen from birth — but that Canadian factor puts him in the company of other past candidates who have had their eligibility questioned because of the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”
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They were eligible, of course. It didn't matter whether England considered them English subjects or not.
And they didn't need to use the grandfather clause, either. All of those persons who had been born "natural born subjects" of the English king were, upon Independence, natural born subjects or natural born citizens of their State and of the United States.
I know this doesn't fit birther doctrine, but it's true.
The reason is (to put it simply) they were children of their local Colonies and of the King. We could say that the King was their father, and the Colony was their mother.
When the parents divorced, they went to live with their mother. They never stopped being natural born sons of their mother, and the fact that she changed her last name from "England" to "United States" didn't matter. They were still her natural born sons.
Nor did it matter that we changed the term used for a member of the nation from "subject" to "citizen." As both Judge Gaston in North Carolina and the US Supreme Court noted, the two terms were completely convertible. Yes, "citizen" drops the implication of obligation to a king. That's the only important difference.
The grandfather clause was put in place NOT for the sake of people like George Washington, but for those of foreign birth who had helped in our Revolution. Men like James Wilson and Alexander Hamilton (who was born in the Caribbean, and who probably would've later become President except for the unfortunate fatal duel with Aaron Burr, Vice-President of the United States.)
This understanding is affirmed by Father of the Constitution James Madison and by various important early legal authorities and historians, including Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, James Bayard, Chief Justice John Marshall, Chancellor James Kent, John Seely Hart, George Bancroft, and the US Supreme Court.
Quite a few quotes from various of these authorities, that illustrate the fact, are here.
Sorry but the definition you cite says one is either a natural born citizen or an alien foreigner. The Constitution has provisions for only three types of US citizen. Currently one is either a naturalized or natural born citizen, consistent with the definition you cited but evidently didn’t read very well.
It's never been ruled on by the Supreme Court, but being born a citizen almost certainly makes Ted Cruz a "natural born citizen" for the purpose of Presidential eligibility.
The birther claim that it takes birth on US soil plus two citizen parents to make a natural born citizen is well-documented BS.
Your point seems to be that Cruz is not a natural born citizen. You seem to be saying that only people born in the U.S. of two citizen parents can be natural born citizens. Then you quote part of the Happersett decision to support your position. I merely pointed out that if anything the Happersett decision proves you wrong; that Justice Waitte said that there can be more than one road to NBC status, and he wasn't going to say if that was right or wrong. Did I miss anything?
IMO, yes.
Waitte said that there can be more than one road to NBC status, and he wasn't going to say if that was right or wrong.
No he didn't, he said there were doubts.
Did I miss anything?
Nope, you got it.
Here's a good thread on the subject:
Yawn, troll some one else.
If by “my boy” you mean relating the findings of actual judicial rulings, then yes, you are correct. The law is “my boy.”
Here’s another of “my boys:”
Voeltz v Obama, Judge John C. Cooper, Leon County, Florida Circuit Court Judge: “In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born in the United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”—September 6, 2012
http://judicial.clerk.leon.fl.us/image_orders.asp?caseid=77182640&jiscaseid=&defseq=&chargeseq=&dktid=57485906&dktsource=CRTV
We all know who your boy is, and it isn’t the law.
If that case were applicable, then why wasn't it cited by somebody> as disqualifying Obama from the Presidency?
After all, it was no secret that his father was a British national. He even wrote of it in his "autobiography".
Yet, nobody raised the question once Obama announced for the Presidency. Not a single politician (most of whom are lawyers), not a single lawyer, not a single jurist, not a single political official of any stripe. In other words, among the thousands and thousands of people who would've a.) been in a position to know he wasn't eligible and b.) had a stake in the election results, nary a soul bothered to raise a peep.
If Happersett was operative, how could that be?
In other words, you have no answer to the evidence, such as that presented over here. Instead, anyone who disagrees with your bogus claims is simply a "troll."
Or, to put it another way, you think something is true just because you really, really want it to be that way.
I'm sure you're a "multi-billionaire" as well.
Jeff, you and I have gone round and round many times, go troll some one else.
So you expect secession to succeed? Would be great for Texas, but bad for the Republicans. No way they ever win the presidency again with Texas.
I don’t know who Bill is but I know fagbow trolls when I see them, Jeff.
Impressive!
Thanks for the info!
We were told in the military if our children were born while deployed overseas, they would be considered NBC.
From Orly Taitz, posted at obamaballotchallenge.com:
“I agree with everyone who commented here previously. There is nothing Arpaio and Zullo can do in front of the Supreme Court of AL. The supreme court of AL does not allow any witness testimony or any new evidence. The only thing Arpaio can do and has to do, is file a criminal complaint in Maricopa county AZ, where he is a Sheriff. He could have done it a year ago. For a year he has been talking and promising, but did not do his job as a sheriff. It is noteworthy that when Arpaio could testify in trial court in CA, GA, MS, when I subpoenaed him to testify, he refused to do so. Now, when testimony is forbidden by the rules of the Supreme Court he says he will help. This is just noise for fundraising purpose, no real action. Everyone should tell Carl Gallops-PPSimmons, Zullo and Arpaio to stop talking and file the criminal complaint immediately or refund the donors who were mislead and believed that Arpaio will file a criminal complaint before the election.”
I suppose, by “Las Vegas Ron” standards, everyone knows who Dr. Taitz’s “boy” is too.
Far from being a Taitz enthusiast, I’d rather be her boy than an Obama sycophant troll.
Now buzz of butt boy.
He said there have been doubts, and then he continued to say it wasn't necessary for the case to say if those doubts were justified or not. So Justice Waite is not taking a stand either way. He did not rule that those born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents were not NBC or that they were.
Here's a good thread on the subject...
I shudder to think how many posts there have been on this subject, arguing for and against. The fact is that your position is no more definitive than those who argue that Cruz is a natural born citizen because the Supreme Court had never ruled on the matter.
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