Posted on 05/02/2013 4:07:23 PM PDT by presidio9
Obviously, a “real” libertarian is a libertarian, meaning pro-abortion, like they are supposed to be.
Libertarians are not conservative, they are radical leftist except on economic issues.
Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
Democrats do this with every social issue - it’s how they took complete control of California from the tone deaf CA GOP. They make great phony libertarians at election time, seldom showing the fascist reality beneath the facade until all the votes are faked.
No. Like you keep trying to paint them to be despite being given evidence to the contrary.
1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
That’s the Libertarian Parties position on abortion. It’s a bit like asking McCain the conservative position on border control.
The official libertarian party does a much better job of being officially libertarian than some internet guy who gets on a conservative forum to misrepresent libertarianism to make it less repulsive to conservatives by denying what their positions are.
Libertarianism is not at war with itself, and does not disagree with it’s party, the party IS libertarianism.
Since FR is a conservative site, I think that social conservatives are probably not on the wrong site.
“Libertarians are not conservative.”
Technically it’s conservatives that are libertarians not the other way around. Conservatism is not an ideology libertarian-ism is.
That is most certantly not true of libertarians. Although a number of radical leftist like John Stuart have comically claimed the tittle of libertiaian. That is a bit like a NAZI calling himself conservative. Its only believable by those who don’t know anything about either.
Post 22 is the positions of libertarianism and they are liberal, radical leftist.
I couldn’t make any sense of the rest of your post.
Maybe this will help. You saw how I described the libertarian position on immigration in post 22.
Now look at the official wording and see if my description was accurate.
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER
IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””
Well, no. But thanks for trying to define something you don’t like and that you don’t believe in for someone who actually understands it and can be honest about it.
And I am a conservative. I live a conservative life. Voluntarily. As a matter of principle.
Something Nanny Staters like you lost sight of a long time ago.
I’m pro-life, pro-faith, pro-Constitution/Bill of Rights, and pro-Republic.
You aren’t a “social” anything. Accept maybe “socialist” when it comes to wanting to silence anyone who dares question your moral high horse in wanting not more limited Constitutional government, but to hold the whip of bigger government yourself.
The official libertarian party does a much better job of being officially libertarian than some internet guy who gets on a conservative forum to misrepresent libertarianism to make it less repulsive to conservatives by denying what their positions are.
I don’t define libertarianism, I only reveal their own positions which they try to conceal from various groups, depending on the politics and beliefs of the audience.
In keeping with their radical leftist social views, libertarians are notoriously dishonest and evasive and slippery in public, about libertarianism politics.
Look at post 32, it is the libertarian position on immigration, just as post 26 is the official libertarian position on abortion.
That was kind of a weird post and I don’t know what it was referring to, but if you are conservative, then you are no libertarian.
Look at post 22 to see the nonsense that those people promote in American politics, it is anti-conservative and anti-God.
That is why the thread title is about Obama adopting libertarianism as his abortion defense, rinos are doing the same.
You can keep repeating the same stupidity over and over again, it isn’t going to make it true.
There is a reason there was a schism in the Libertarian Party after Browne died. Those philosophical libertarians, like me, saw the take over from within by radical Leftists more interested in smoking pot and buggering each other than in pushing real issues like property Rights, Bill of Rights enforcement, etc...
We ejected. Part of the “politically homeless”. Folks like Jason Lewis, Thomas Sowell, L. Neil Smith, John Stossel, and others fit this category. We’re “too” small government for people like you. We don’t see the Constitution giving you all the control that you seem to think you need.
So, you conveniently lump us in with the Ron Paulites and refuse to listen to anything else we have to say no matter how much sense it makes or how conservative or a position it really is.
For instance, abortion. You keep trying to tell me that I can’t be a libertarian and be pro-life at the same time. Even though i told you the reasoning behind my stance and that it fits perfectly well within the philosophy if not the political Parties wishy-washy plank statement.
You can even go back through my posting history and see where i have voted a pretty strict Republican ticket, save a few where the Democrat was running unopposed by a GOP candidate.
So who is lying about who here?
Why? All libertarianism really boils down to is principled freedom. No Nanny to make you do right, and plenty of suffering on your part with no safety net to shield you from your mistakes.
I am pro-Faith. I’m not a Christian, but I fully support your Right to believe as you will. I even support pre-game prayers, post-game prayers, prayer in schools, and public displays around the holidays. Inclusive, not exclusive. As it should be.
Of course, if part of your Religion is killing/ attacking others to force them to convert, like the Islamic radicals are after, then they need to be aware that our Second Amendment will send them swiftly to meet their Maker.
The LP fuzzy-headed types might take exception, it’s their Right to do so. This is my stance and it fits the logic i’ve worked put over the last twenty years of thinking about it...
You are making it up about the party being taken over and changed into something that it wasn't, their pot smoking abortion open borders etc stuff never changed.
I didn't tell you that you can't be pro-life and not be a libertarian.
There is a reason there was a schism in the Libertarian Party after Browne died.
So you accepted the party positions before Browne died in 2006, or before his presidential run of 1996, or 2000 or what?
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