Posted on 04/30/2013 2:08:25 PM PDT by South40
A civilian cargo plane crash at Bagram Air Field north of Kabul in Afghanistan has killed seven people.
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As others have suggested, a cargo shift. This isn't the first time it's happened and probably won't be the last.
Apparently the load shifted aft. Probably not secured sufficiently.
Sad.
I understand from one of the posters above that a steeper-than-usual climbout phase was called for at Bagram, presumably because of the potentially of ground-to-air fire. What an awful exacerbation to all these potential things-on-the-hairy-edge for pilots to avoid!
It could also have been that load shifted after take-off due to insecure mechanisms or straps.
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Not likely. Departure stalls are not that hard to recover from, something went way wrong. Looks like the flaps were extended, Some flaps are necessary on take off but that looked like a lot.
Bad fuel ? someone engaged the thrust reversers ?
Doesn’t look like a load shift, looks like a total loss of engine thrust. It just stalled and fell like a rock.
When I took primary flight lessons I was told never to trim for airspeed on take off, hold the airspeed at the best climb speed yourself. Apparently a lot of pilots do trim, but if something shifts plus trimmed for max climb speed then this might happen....
Probably hit V1 and V2 rotation velocity and on initial clime out something went terribly wrong. CVR and DFDR recorders will tell the story. At some point the stall warning tone and bitching betty came on. It may have been to late at that point if they could not get the nose down in time. It would have been a split second to catch and recover for do or die. If the cargo shifted it would have been unrecoverable.
Loose Load shift to the rear at takeoff angle
Horribly sad video — prayers up...
Our USAF son was stationed at Bagram for 6 months in 2011, and he just redeployed to the Middle East a week ago. (But not Afghanistan this time...)
So grateful that he wasn’t there to witness this terrible tragedy.
According to an updated press release on National Air Cargo’s website, the plane was transporting several vehicles to Dubai, United Arab Emirates:
“At approximately 7 a.m. EST, National Flight NCR102 from Bagram to Dubai, UAE with seven crewmembers on board crashed on takeoff. None of the crew members survived. This was a purely cargo flight and no passengers were aboard. Cargo consisted of vehicles and routine general cargo.
National will release additional information as it becomes available, in cooperation with government authorities. Our focus at this time is on the family members of those we’ve lost, and on assisting the NTSB and Afghanistan Civil Aviation Authority in their investigations. As of now, the cause of the accident is unknown.”
As am I. Please thank your son for his service to this great nation. It must be an incredibly hard task given our current "leadership".
The plane — owned by National Airlines, an Orlando, Florida-based subsidiary of National Air Cargo — was carrying vehicles and other cargo, according to National Air Cargo Vice President Shirley Kaufman. She said those killed were four pilots, two mechanics and a load master, who was responsible for making sure that the weight and balance of the cargo is appropriate.
Five of the seven fatalities were from Michigan, said Kaufman.
Fox 2 reports one of the victims has been identified as Brad Hasler, a Michigan father of two whose wife is pregnant.
“Yesterday morning our family learned of the terrible tragedy that occurred at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan, and that Brad was among the crew members who perished. Brad was a wonderful father to two young children, a beloved husband to a wife who is expecting another child, a loving son, and the most loyal and supportive brother I could have ever asked for,” Hasler’s brother, Bill, wrote in a statement released Tuesday.
The identities of the other passengers have not yet been revealed.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04...#ixzz2RzHNmhf7
Used to fly out of Burbank airport on 727s years ago. I loved the steep takeoffs — felt a bit like a rocket launch.
Looking back they were probably due to noise complaints — and probably not as safe as a more level take-off.
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