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Is There Anything An F-16 Cannot Do? (Break from Politics)
Strategy Page ^ | April 21, 2013 | Strategy Page

Posted on 04/21/2013 3:06:00 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie

The U.S. Air Force prefers to use its F-16 fighters for everything. While the F-16 is a capable and versatile aircraft, the main reason for using it so much is because it is so cheap to operate. It costs the air force $23,000 per hour to operate an F-16C. Other fighters are much more expensive. An F-22 costs $68,000 an hour, while an F-15C costs $42,000 and an F-15E $36,000.

The only aircraft that beats the F-16C is the A-10C, which costs $18,000 an hour. But the A-10 is not a fighter and is optimized for ground support. The F-16 can also do that, but not as well. The other ground support aircraft, the AC-130U costs $46,000 an hour. That’s why these are being replaced by C-130 transports ($18,000 an hour) with special cargo containers consisting of sensors and weapons similar to those on the AC-130.

The F-16, like the A-10 can also drop smart bombs. Both aircraft are much cheaper at this than the bombers. The B-52H costs $70,000 an hour, the B-1B $58,000 and the B-2 $169,000. The problem with the bombers is that with smart bombs you don’t need a lot of bombs. So what the F-16 can carry (a dozen or more, depending on weight) is usually adequate in places like Afghanistan. For an attack on, say, North Korea, the bombers would come into their own, at least for the initial assault when there are a lot of targets to hit.

With the right sensors, missiles and electronic weapons plus well-trained pilots the F-16 can beat just about any other fighter out there. For stealth fighters, that would have to include sensors that can handle stealth. But stealth fighters often have the best sensors and electronics as well. Thus against most foes a well tricked out F-16 can do it all.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airforce; f16; usaf; usairforce
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To: driftdiver
“I get in trouble for saying this but I think if you add in some avionics upgrades to an F-4, F-14 or even a MiG-21, it can do most of what an F-22 or a Sukhoi-30 can do today. “

Not even close except for the F14.


I think on the MiG-21, the Indian Air Force would disagree:

Subject: MiG-21 - still unpleasant surprise at Cope India exercise

I guess the F-4 might suffer a little by not being as maneuverable but it would make a better "bomb truck" anyhoo.
61 posted on 04/21/2013 4:57:33 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Pan_Yan

Butt ugly you mean?


62 posted on 04/21/2013 4:58:18 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: okie01

Any woman who looks that good screams the same thing...:)


63 posted on 04/21/2013 5:03:09 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Pan_Yan

Ha...my old squadron...:)


64 posted on 04/21/2013 5:04:11 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Nowhere Man

I think you are basically right. Once firearms technology had produced the self contained cartridge and smokeless powder it only took a few years for John Browning and Paul Mauser to pretty much perfect many designs.

There still are no bolt actions which are really better than the 98 Mauser and even the old 91 and 93 Mausers were tactically as good as any.

Browning perfected the lever action in the model 1886, the automatic pistol with the 1911 and the pocket pistol with the 1899 FN .32.

Yes there have been some advances but overall they are hardly worth mentioning.

Same thing with fighter jets. The basic platform was pretty much as you say, on a plateau beginning with the 60s. There have been improvements but really how much has the basic platform improved? The real advances have been in computer and electronic technologies.


65 posted on 04/21/2013 5:05:59 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

While I would prefer an F-16 for air superiority, they don’t hold a candle to an A-10 in the CAS role.


66 posted on 04/21/2013 5:14:37 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The A-10 is not a fighter?

Not a fighter means not being flown by fighter pilots.

Try saying that in the bar at Davis-Monthan or any other A-10 base.

Not a fighter?

Armed with A/A missiles, a gun that can reach out and touch someone, no matter the target, ground or air, and a platform other fighters don’t want to get in a phone-booth fight.

Not a fighter, indeed.

The writer that wrote the A-10 is not a fighter is a class A putz.


67 posted on 04/21/2013 5:20:52 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Was supposed to be a day, VFR jet with no radar-—politico’s wouldn’t have that.


68 posted on 04/21/2013 5:22:36 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Fred Hayek

I heard the Buff pilot came back and said: “I just took a dump in the John, your turn”


69 posted on 04/21/2013 5:27:30 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Legendary aeronautical engineer, Kelly Johnson, had an interesting, unwritten rule, that he would convey verbally to his disciples : starve before doing business with the Navy. They really don't know what they want, and they'll drive you absolutely crazy trying to figure that out.
70 posted on 04/21/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: snowrip

That would be F-15, of any variant. Has the stick, range and loiter.


71 posted on 04/21/2013 5:30:06 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks ImJustAnotherOkie.
...the main reason for using it so much is because it is so cheap to operate... $23,000 per hour... F-22 costs $68,000 an hour, while an F-15C costs $42,000 and an F-15E $36,000... the A-10C... costs $18,000 an hour... is not a fighter and is optimized for ground support. The F-16 can also do that, but not as well. The other ground support aircraft, the AC-130U costs $46,000 an hour. That’s why these are being replaced by C-130 transports ($18,000 an hour) with special cargo containers consisting of sensors and weapons similar to those on the AC-130. The F-16, like the A-10 can also drop smart bombs. Both aircraft are much cheaper at this than the bombers. The B-52H costs $70,000 an hour, the B-1B $58,000 and the B-2 $169,000.
Drones will inexorably replace more and more fighter sorties, but also expand reach and breadth, particularly as they get more intelligent. Then Skynet will take over, and that'll be it. /s


72 posted on 04/21/2013 5:34:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: lightman

I have a friend that once bet an F-16 pilot a case of beer that he couldn’t make him barf during a training flight. My buddy puked 4 times and was sore for a week.


73 posted on 04/21/2013 5:34:12 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Yo-Yo

yes, that was amazing. Any landing you can walk away from is a good one, even if not pretty or perfect form.

Thanks for sharing! :)


74 posted on 04/21/2013 5:43:40 PM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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To: driftdiver

yeah, but a squadron of B52s is impressive too! :)

Each has its purpose and power. I remember too many nights at the O Club listening to various tables of pilots counter back and forth about their airframes...

Now I’m married to a retired naval aviator who chuckles and sarcastically states he is the only REAL pilot I ever dated! :)


75 posted on 04/21/2013 5:46:22 PM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Fred Hayek

loved the last line of your post! Thanks for making me smile!


76 posted on 04/21/2013 5:47:31 PM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Cyropaedia

The problem with the Navy is that they want an aircraft that will do positively everything.


77 posted on 04/21/2013 6:01:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The F-16 is the only fighter around that can take 9g’s.Probably more than the pilots can handle.But for a dog fighter its one of the Best.

I don’t think the F-18 even gets close.


78 posted on 04/21/2013 6:02:58 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Still Thinking
To each his own. For me the coolest-looking aircraft of all time is the B-17. All respect to ‘’The Aardvark’’ but there isn't enough room on one of those to go painting one of those luscious, scantilly-clad Emilio Vargas babes with names like ''Miss Bea Haven''.
79 posted on 04/21/2013 6:29:40 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’m an old KC-135 driver. I left the AF in ‘84 from Dyess, and my very last day in the Force.....Dyess took delivery of its first B-1. Helluva sight to see.


80 posted on 04/21/2013 6:41:05 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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