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To: JohnPDuncan
No, they’re not. There’s reasons why the vote has flipped and unfortunately too many on our side have used anti-Muslim rhetoric and painted a broad brush so they don't feel welcome in the GOP.

What GOP politician has employed "anti-Muslim rhetoric?" It has been just the opposite. Bush always paid respect to the religion of Islam. The emphasis was always that AQ represented a small minority of Muslims.

And you still have yet to define pro-Islamic. What do you mean by that term?

The Dems are also masters at motivating and appealing to voting blocks and also keeping them. Very worrying. Jews, Hispanics and African Americans all overwhelmingly vote Democrat.The Dems play identity politics. They support affirmative action and minority business set asides that reinforce and reward group identification. The Dems have always received the overwhelming majority of votes from Jews, Hispanics, and blacks (I don't feel compelled to use the PC term.") The problem is that minorities are making up more and more of the population due to our immigratiion polices (87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants who enter annually are minorities as defined by the USG) and higher minority birthrates, particularly among Hispanics--53% of whom self-identify as white.)

By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities. Each cohort that turns 18 each year will be more and more minority and more Dem. By 2042 half of the country will be minorities. In 1970 89% of the population was non-Hispanic whites. Today it is 66% and declining.

Romney won the non-Hispanic white vote in every age category and gender. His 59% of the non-Hispanic white vote would have probably won in 2008 and certainly in 2004. Obama even with his failed Presidency still won by 5 million votes despite the fact that he received 4 million less votes than in 2008. Romney received one million more votes than McCain. We have had a tipping point and entered into a period of tribal voting. The economy and a President's record appears to matter less than what group you belong to. The Dems have been cultivating this strategy since 1965 when they passed the 1965 Immigration Act to make America look more like the rest of the world than just Western Europe.

GOP needs more than just the white vote these days. I hope you’ll help me build coalitions and find that support.

You are tilting at windmills. Unless we reduce the numbers of legal immigrants entering each year and stop the looming amnesty, the GOP will be the permanent minority party. Even if it moves to become Dem lite, it will still not be enough.

218 posted on 04/20/2013 3:00:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Newt is using the language here... there are various blogs on the internet that claim to be “conservative” that infest our movement and CPAC and are anti-Islamic. You know who i’m talking about and i’m not going to get personal but these people are destroying our outreach efforts to win back this community.

RE: changing demographics. This is a vote we OWNED 12 years ago and has completely flipped. Not because of new citizens of a lax immigration policy because they were all Bush voters who now vote Obama and Democrat. This disgusts me and it’s not down to 9/11 or the War in Afghanistan which most of them would have supported but down to the heated rhetoric and the Iraq war which was a seriously bad policy move by Bush and the GOP 10 years ago.


229 posted on 04/20/2013 6:08:38 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: kabar

A point if I may about the changing demographics which I think you have done some excellent research on:

The kids of these immigrants are citizens anyway. Anchor babies means amnesty basically every year forever and it’s not going to change. They’re turning up and having babies who are natural born citizens.

There is no way we’re going to be able to change the constitution and this silly interpretation...

So what happens? These kids grow up in illegal immigrant communities and they’re citizens! They can vote! Who do they vote for ? they’re going to vote Democrat because they’re the ones who are perceived to be pro-immigration.

If a child of an illegal immigrant perceives a bias against their mother or father (however much they have broken the law and are in the wrong) then they’re not going to give a party a second look who are telling them to ‘self-deport’ (thanks Romney!)

This is another suicidal mistake by the GOP and by anyone who rejects ALL forms of normalization which is actually most of the House Republicans who are in safe districts and do not care whether we win another national election again as they’ll be in congress for 30-40 years whatever happens before they retire and head off to K street to make millions a year.

I support normalizing them but denying them welfare and as long as the border can be secured with a fence or whatever other metric. I want the border states to have more of a say and to let them do it rather than corrupt administrations and the Fed government.

I would rather have Perry or Brewer in charge than Napolitano. I do NOT support the Feds nulifying the laws in those states. If AZ wants to take action against illegal immigration i’m all for it. Good on them and let them get on with it. Feds be damned.

Now here’s the problem: We’re not going to deport all these people and their citizen/voting children are we? Realistically it’s not going to happen. Groups of people are not going to be rounded up and mass deported no matter how much we scream for it.

We now have the marxist demogoguing the issue at every opportunity and exploiting it for political gain. He will keep screaming the GOP hates immigrants and the Democrats will keep winning that hispanic voting block forever like they have blacks making us the minority.

It doesn’t have to be that way. We can put ourselves outfront and turn the tables on the lying Marxist and become the pro-sensible immigration party. The pro-we support hard working immigrants party who want a better life not mooch off the hard work of other people. The pro-teach them the constitution party and the value of hard work and self-improvement. The PRO-AMERICAN party.

Why not? I’m not going to cede to this Marxist any vote of any citizen whether they’re the children of illegal immigrants or a Muslim.

The bill he’s produced of course is terrible and I do not support it and wish for a different policy and administration but we have to deal with what we’ve got.

I support the House GOP trying to make this horrible bill better and ensuring we have border security by delegating it to the border states in some fashion and denying them welfare/entitlements or whatever.

I really don’t know it’s a tough issue but it must be confronted and stragegized. Simply screaming deport them all is not going to work. Screaming for existing law to be enforced is not going to work. The Marxist has power and will for the next 4 years and who knows who will be in after that.

Our current posture ensures our own demise.


232 posted on 04/20/2013 6:35:22 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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