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To: kabar

A point if I may about the changing demographics which I think you have done some excellent research on:

The kids of these immigrants are citizens anyway. Anchor babies means amnesty basically every year forever and it’s not going to change. They’re turning up and having babies who are natural born citizens.

There is no way we’re going to be able to change the constitution and this silly interpretation...

So what happens? These kids grow up in illegal immigrant communities and they’re citizens! They can vote! Who do they vote for ? they’re going to vote Democrat because they’re the ones who are perceived to be pro-immigration.

If a child of an illegal immigrant perceives a bias against their mother or father (however much they have broken the law and are in the wrong) then they’re not going to give a party a second look who are telling them to ‘self-deport’ (thanks Romney!)

This is another suicidal mistake by the GOP and by anyone who rejects ALL forms of normalization which is actually most of the House Republicans who are in safe districts and do not care whether we win another national election again as they’ll be in congress for 30-40 years whatever happens before they retire and head off to K street to make millions a year.

I support normalizing them but denying them welfare and as long as the border can be secured with a fence or whatever other metric. I want the border states to have more of a say and to let them do it rather than corrupt administrations and the Fed government.

I would rather have Perry or Brewer in charge than Napolitano. I do NOT support the Feds nulifying the laws in those states. If AZ wants to take action against illegal immigration i’m all for it. Good on them and let them get on with it. Feds be damned.

Now here’s the problem: We’re not going to deport all these people and their citizen/voting children are we? Realistically it’s not going to happen. Groups of people are not going to be rounded up and mass deported no matter how much we scream for it.

We now have the marxist demogoguing the issue at every opportunity and exploiting it for political gain. He will keep screaming the GOP hates immigrants and the Democrats will keep winning that hispanic voting block forever like they have blacks making us the minority.

It doesn’t have to be that way. We can put ourselves outfront and turn the tables on the lying Marxist and become the pro-sensible immigration party. The pro-we support hard working immigrants party who want a better life not mooch off the hard work of other people. The pro-teach them the constitution party and the value of hard work and self-improvement. The PRO-AMERICAN party.

Why not? I’m not going to cede to this Marxist any vote of any citizen whether they’re the children of illegal immigrants or a Muslim.

The bill he’s produced of course is terrible and I do not support it and wish for a different policy and administration but we have to deal with what we’ve got.

I support the House GOP trying to make this horrible bill better and ensuring we have border security by delegating it to the border states in some fashion and denying them welfare/entitlements or whatever.

I really don’t know it’s a tough issue but it must be confronted and stragegized. Simply screaming deport them all is not going to work. Screaming for existing law to be enforced is not going to work. The Marxist has power and will for the next 4 years and who knows who will be in after that.

Our current posture ensures our own demise.


232 posted on 04/20/2013 6:35:22 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
The kids of these immigrants are citizens anyway. Anchor babies means amnesty basically every year forever and it’s not going to change. They’re turning up and having babies who are natural born citizens.

The kids born here of illegal aliens--about 300,00 to 400,000 a year--are American citizens thru birthright citizenship. They get food stamps, Medicaid, etc. And of course it can be changed. The US is only one of 33 nations that has birthright citizenship. Ireland was the last European country to have it and they eliminated it thru a constitutional amendment.

There is no way we’re going to be able to change the constitution and this silly interpretation...

Without getting too far into the weeds, every year bills have been introduced to eliminate birthright citizenship. Scholars disagree as to whether Congress can just pass a law and eliminate it or that the 14th amendment would need to be amended. Either way, birthright citizenship can and should be changed.

So what happens? These kids grow up in illegal immigrant communities and they’re citizens! They can vote! Who do they vote for ? they’re going to vote Democrat because they’re the ones who are perceived to be pro-immigration.

Two thirds of legal immigrants vote Dem. They have doing it almost all of the 20th century and now the 21st century. They vote Democrat because it is the party of Big Government who hands out the free stuff. The problem is not so much that immigrants vote Dem, but their sheer numbers do have an electoral impact.

Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects

I support normalizing them but denying them welfare and as long as the border can be secured with a fence or whatever other metric. I want the border states to have more of a say and to let them do it rather than corrupt administrations and the Fed government.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

How are you going to stop these lawbreakers, once legalized, from receiving SS, Medicare, and Obamacare? They are paying into these systems. And their American born children are already receiving all the benefits.

Here is one of the most chilling videos you will ever see on how the left views amnesty. The speaker is Eliseo Medina, Executive Director of SEIU, in 2009 Could it be more clear as to what these bastards what to do with what you call "normalization." The Reps are committing political suicide.

This is another suicidal mistake by the GOP and by anyone who rejects ALL forms of normalization which is actually most of the House Republicans who are in safe districts and do not care whether we win another national election again as they’ll be in congress for 30-40 years whatever happens before they retire and head off to K street to make millions a year.

Why should we reward lawbreakers with the object of their crime? Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law. There are over 4 million legal intending immigrants waiting overseas for their turn to enter. They have completed all of the paperwork, background checks, physicals, etc.

Now here’s the problem: We’re not going to deport all these people and their citizen/voting children are we? Realistically it’s not going to happen. Groups of people are not going to be rounded up and mass deported no matter how much we scream for it.

No one is calling for mass deportation. You are creating a phony strawman. As mentioned above, attrition thru enforcement is a viable strategy.

We now have the marxist demogoguing the issue at every opportunity and exploiting it for political gain. He will keep screaming the GOP hates immigrants and the Democrats will keep winning that hispanic voting block forever like they have blacks making us the minority.

This strategy has been in place ever since the 1965 Immigration Act. The idea was to change the demographics of this country to make us look like the world. Unless we reduce the number of legal immigrants entering annually, the Dems will be the permanent majority party. One in 8 in this country is now foreign born--the highest in 90 years--compared to one in 21 in 1970. By 2050 one in 5 in this country will be foreign born. This has electoral consequences. We are being colonized by the Third World.

I really don’t know it’s a tough issue but it must be confronted and stragegized. Simply screaming deport them all is not going to work. Screaming for existing law to be enforced is not going to work. The Marxist has power and will for the next 4 years and who knows who will be in after that.

Here is a real plan for immigration reform:

1. Link immigration to the challenges facing this nation. Republicans need to engage in a national program of education and dialogue on immigration with the American people, linking the impact of mass immigration to the significant challenges facing this nation. Republican political leaders and conservative media must ensure that the impact of immigration is part of the dialogue every time a major issued is discussed whether it is the economy, jobs, the deficit, taxes, the environment, education, energy independence, entitlement programs, or health care. The objective is to inform the electorate and to move away from the highly charged rhetoric that has prevented any real dialogue on immigration and its impact on public policy.

2. Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration. Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

Our current posture ensures our own demise.

It is not posture but the status quo that is destroying this nation not just the GOP.

And let's get real about legal immigration. Every ten years we have what amounts to an amnesty. With 1.2 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ENTERING ANNUALLY, they will be able to vote eventually and two thirds of them will vote Dem. Illegal immigration is the shiny little bauble that distracts us from the real game changer--legal immigration. The status quo will make the Dems the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens the process.

239 posted on 04/21/2013 7:45:57 AM PDT by kabar
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