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Gun-rights leader: ‘We snookered the other side’ on Toomey-Manchin
The Washington Times ^

Posted on 04/15/2013 7:14:15 AM PDT by Perdogg

prominent gun-rights advocate claims his group’s staff was in the room during the drafting of the recently unveiled proposal to expand gun-purchase background checks and said that “we snookered the other side — they haven’t figured it out yet.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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21 posted on 04/15/2013 7:51:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg
Okay, this is becoming very confusing to follow as what is the true wording of the supposed new law. So, we have a good bill now and the left were snookered into making a stronger bill. Does the physician still have a role in this. If this is true, why did he tip the leftist off. If the bill is solid, why did the NRA put out a public statement they were opposed to this bill while having NRA representatives in the meetings with the politicians involved. NRA, in on the snookering? It seems we all are being pushed in a political box of who to trust. Wouldn't it be something, if this bill were stronger though to be honest I wish they never had their hands on the rights to the Second Amendment. I am so sick of these gangs of 6/8 deciding what they know best and worrying me and all others.
22 posted on 04/15/2013 7:52:20 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: cripplecreek

The 2nd’s wording is so strong that I’m not even certain that we should deny ex-felons the right.


23 posted on 04/15/2013 7:52:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Perdogg

Apparently they missed the tendency for the current regime towards “selective enforcement.” The Obama will only enforce the parts they want to, and will ignore the rest.


24 posted on 04/15/2013 7:54:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: MrB
The 2nd’s wording is so strong that I’m not even certain that we should deny ex-felons the right.

I agree, there's no point in it. We used to hand weapons back over to felons upon release from jail or prison. If they wanted to commit a crime again they were going to do it anyway.

We used to keep truly dangerous people off the streets.
25 posted on 04/15/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MrB; marktwain; Lazamataz
Sigh....I'll support the bill if they repeal Chapter 4 of the GCA.

Heck, I'll even take the repeal of 18 USC 922 (o). That is truely unconstitutional, especially after Heller.

26 posted on 04/15/2013 7:57:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: MrB

We shouldn’t deny ex-felons the right. That’s what magnum revolvers and high-capacity magazines are for.


27 posted on 04/15/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: cripplecreek; PowderMonkey

If they can’t be trusted with a firearm,
what the heck are we doing releasing them from prison?

IMHO


28 posted on 04/15/2013 7:58:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Perdogg

If the words “shall not” appear in any of these laws, I will ignore them.


29 posted on 04/15/2013 7:59:06 AM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: MrB
Seems pretty unambiguous to me in my state.

The Constitution of the State of Michigan of 1963 Article 1, Section 6 reads, "Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state."
30 posted on 04/15/2013 8:00:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PowderMonkey

Any man too dangerous to carry a gun is a man too dangerous to walk free.


31 posted on 04/15/2013 8:01:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

Someone please tell me the current “problems” this bill solves in a way that benefits gun owners.


32 posted on 04/15/2013 8:03:42 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: MrB

You’re right.
God bless and keep you.


33 posted on 04/15/2013 8:07:01 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Perdogg

The basic question...

Was the noose loosened or tightened (even if just a little bit)?


34 posted on 04/15/2013 8:07:29 AM PDT by moovova
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To: cripplecreek

The left could never directly state why they want to confiscate guns, which is simply to be able at some point to assert absolute control. So they need a way to game the general population into following them, and that is the multifaceted argument about crime, mental health, the “if we can save just one life by trashing the constitution” gambit, etc.

But because reality doesn’t support their theory, I.e., gun control does not reduce violent crime, they need a rationalization, and that, it seems to me, is the Feinstein theory of gun market atrophy. This theory is premised on the idea that if they can take guns away from everybody, even the black market will dry up, and gun violence will go away. This is obviously magical thinking, as guns will continue to be made, only now the black market will be international, and very profitable. And as it will require the further corruption of our political class to work, well, all I can say is, if you think its bad now, you ain’t seen nothin yet.


35 posted on 04/15/2013 8:13:11 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Perdogg; Mr. K; JTHomes

Well, SOMEBODY got snookered, but I don’t think they were in that room, or even in D.C. for that matter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3006927/posts?page=10#10

Sure looks like WE are the intended “snook -ees”.

Dear Lord, guide our course.
Tatt


36 posted on 04/15/2013 8:14:24 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: onyx

Exactly. Rather than more legislation, we should be repealing all gun control that was ever passed in the first place. Not that that’s going to happen. Why can’t people understand that the more the Second Amendment is cut into little pieces, defined, then returned to us, the more they keep a few of the pieces every time it undergoes this operation?


37 posted on 04/15/2013 8:17:02 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Bill Maher is absolutely correct. The left needs to man up and come right out and say what they mean.

It might just force the right to stop playing games and stand up for the second amendment as it is without trying to tweak it with words like “sensible” and “reasonable”.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

What bunk!

Whatever “concessions” this man dreams he has written into the law will be ignored by Left Wing prosecutors, unenforced by Left Wing police chiefs, overruled by Democrat judges, prohibited by bureaucratic agencies, challenged by Blue State governors and Blue State Supreme Courts.

Can someone explain to this guy that the Democrat Party has one, and only one, goal - the political destruction of Conservatives.

This man is a political illiterate!


39 posted on 04/15/2013 8:34:42 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Nervous Tick

Re: “TENACIOUSLY REPRESENTING THE SIMPLE IDEALS OF THOSE WHO ELECTED THEM.”

Beautifully said, Tick.


40 posted on 04/15/2013 8:37:41 AM PDT by zeestephen
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