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Posted on 04/14/2013 3:06:21 PM PDT by zeestephen
His past record is outstanding.
What happened?
Gottlieb, Toomey, and Coburn have outdone the "progressives" at their own game.
The bill proposed has plenty of trojan horses in it for our side, and takes about 20 steps toward restoring our rights for a very small one backward.
I think the NRA will be with this one as well, and I think Obama may veto it. It is much like when Senator Coburn forced Obama to sign the guns in parks bill as part of the budget he wanted.
This has all kinds of stuff that Obama and the anti-freedom people hate. It is a real "compromise" in where we get a lot, and they get to save face, and get very, very little.
You can do those now, so how is this an improvement?
Exactly!! How nice that they will *provide* and *allow* us to do things that we already can! This is insanity...we're taking away your existing rights but you veel like it, because we're giffing you back/allowing/providing you a leetle somthink to make you *happy*.
It stinks...the whole flipping thing stinks...from the *crisis* to the overreaching control threats to fools like Toomey and this gun rights *advocate* suddenly supporting the crock need for legislation to jeopardize our God given 2A rights.
That’s the one I belong to, and I’m even getting nervous about them, and as far as I know, they are unambiguously pro-Second Amendment. I’m just getting used to seeing everybody cave, and my expectations are lowering in return. Wo can you trust now?
“Citizens committee” - sounds like an organization in a “People’s Republic.”
Far from it. They have been around for about 30 years and are generally very good. They are affiliated with the Second Amendment Foundation, which has done a lot of good work.
When it comes to the Background Check Bill, some of you might not like what I’m gonna say, but I spent hours and hours, in Senator Manchin, with Senator Manchin and Pat Toomey going over what’s in that Bill. And, I’m a little upset with the one … this whole debates gotten so polarized that it’s really hard for anybody to be intellectually honest about what any of the Bills say. [unintelligible] I’ll be candid, unfortunately with the background check that’s really what the case is right now.
The initial background check bill that Schumer put in was horrible. There’s no way that any of us could support it. It was gun registrations, there’s no two ways about it, The Manchin-Toomey Bill despite some of my colleagues in the Gun Rights Movement talking about that it’s registration, it is not registration. Ahhh .. To be perfectly candid about it, it states in it that no guns can be registered. It also carries a section in it that any federal or any state or any gun dealer with access to the NICS Check Records who misuses those records for registration purposes commits a felony with a 15 year … up to a 15 year prison term. That’s really great protection for us.
Right Now? Any gun sold through a dealer that goes through a background check: there is no protection. If someone were to misuse that list nothing happens to them. Now they will serve 15 years … up to 15 years in prison for misusing that list, if in fact they do so. That’s great protection. It’s the first time we’ve had protection. Other things in that bill which my sides not talking about? We’re not taling about it for a reason.
If we talk about it too much, the other sie’s gonna find out about it and they’re gonna realize we’re gonna win off of this thing. The back ground check is not even a Universal Background Check. It’s at gun shows, commercial venues, or the internet. And, to be candid about it, it doesn’t cover family members, of any kind, or any friends, or any gun transaction, that’s not done at a gun show or basically on the internet. It gives protection, if you do go through the background check, you as an individual will now get both civil and criminal liability protection that you don’t have now. If somebody sold a gun to somebody who’s misused it, nobody can sue you even in a civil court for damages. That’s great protection that you don’t have right now.
There’s about 10 other important things in there. One of them them that some of you have read in the newspapers that a lot of Veterans are being disarmed so to speak once they come back from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan and all of a sudden because they were out processed and had stress problems the VA now puts their name into the NICS system they can’t own a gun, this new bill, this Background Check Bill has a provision in it to eradicate that. Their Rights will be restored.
It goes on and on. Traveling across the country. It gives you more protection so that you can take your gun from state to state than you have now.
Another important one, you cannot now legally buy a handgun in a state that you don’t live in. If you’re not a resident of the state you can’t buy a handgun. Under the so-call “Background CHeck Bill,” you’ll be able to buy a handgun in all 50 states, as long as you buy it from a licensed dealer you can buy it from anywhere you want.
There’s a Million other things in there it’s a Christmas Tree. We just hung a Million Ornaments on it. We’re taking the Background Check and making it a pro-gun bill. Unfortunately some of my colleagues haven’t quite figured it out yet because they weren’t standing in the room writing it. My staff was. I’ll be perfectly candid about it. This will probably break on Monday in the Wall Street Journal. So your getting a little of “Inside Baseball.” …
I hope so but I don't know. Alan has been one of the very good guys in the 2A fight. I admit I am stunned at the moment. Either he knows something I don't, or he's Benedict Arnold.
SAF also publishes GUN WEEK newspaper after it was sold by Neal Knox.
I’ve subscribed for over 30 years.
Of the CCRKBA and SAF, one might be a not-for-profit lobby organization, while the other is a non-profit informational organization. Legalities, contributions, taxes and the like, you know.
They shouldn’t be seeking a compromise anyway. They should be giving the democrats a bloody nose.
GOA here. I kicked in an extra bit of money last year.
Thanks, it appears as you say. I read a little deeper at both websites and they are affiliated and promote and link to each other.
“The Second Amendment Foundation is a tax-exempt legal foundation dedicated
to protecting our Constitutional heritage to privately own and posses firearms,
through public education and legal action.”
“The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is dedicated to protecting your firearms rights. Our role is to educate grass root activists, the public, legislators and the media. Our programs are designed to help all Americans understand the importance of the Second Amendment and its role in keeping Americans free.”
“I saw a a gun grabbing group on the local news today. The Moms for “common sense” gun legislation.”
Common Sense gun regulation? What’s wrong with that?
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomaspain125082.html
So as a CA resident, could I go to AZ and buy a gun that is not on the "CA Approved Handgun List", and comes with a 15rd magazine? I doubt it. I bet the caveat is the sale must be legal in your home state. So any handgun you could buy in another state is one you could have bought at home anyway. This doesn't help us here in the blue states. Convenience, more variety and perhaps increased competition - all good things, but not a major breakthrough IMO.
I’m betting Alan managed to get a 50-State permit out of the deal...
It’s the only thing i can think of that would make sense shy of a bad alien brain swapping scheme.
We don’t need it though. The Second was incorporated along with the rest of the BoR when it was ratified. It needs no other ruling or law.
We just need the FedGov, and the States, to stop ignoring it...
I’m not sure what the law is on the tax issue now, but did pay attention to that with helping some family rights organizations during the ‘90s. Not-for-profit: political action and not tax deductible. Non-profit: research/information-oriented and tax deductible. Was only guessing about CCRKBA and SAF, being a little short on time for now. I didn’t do any work directly for them and was only in communication with them on one family rights issue a long time ago (re. VAWA). Looked like an upright bunch to me—actually looked more considerate than some of the other organizations.
[Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t give legal advice. This is only a public policy discussion.]
They aren’t new, or suddenly appearing. In the past they’ve been extremely strong gun rights... Strong enough that people should at least read their proposal before condemning them.
I remember the day when the word "gay" was a really nice, pleasant word that meant "happy."
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