Coburn: There won’t be a filibuster

cnn ^ | April 9, 2013 | Kevin Liptak

[Red Steel]

(CNN) – A key player in negotiations over potential gun control legislation said on Tuesday a planned GOP filibuster of the bill won’t occur if Democrats allow Republicans to bring amendments up for a vote.

Sen. Tom Coburn, speaking on CNN’s “Erin Burnett Outfront,” said a filibuster that’s been promised by more than a dozen fellow Republicans would prevent Americans from seeing where their elected officials stand on the issue.

“It’s not going to be filibustered,” Coburn said, adding that the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid needs to offer "an open amendment process" in order for Republicans to agree to allow a vote.

"We ought to have this debate. America needs to know where we stand," Coburn continued, adding “That’s what the Senate should be about."

The Oklahoma Republican, who enjoys a top or “A” rating from the National Rifle Association, was among a bipartisan group of senators working behind the scenes on legislation aimed at expanding background checks on gun sales.

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The talks hit a snag, however, on the issue of record-keeping – Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.

[Windflier]

Fight back until it hurts. Then fight some more. Don’t stop until the traitors are begging you to put them out of their misery.

[Count of Monte Fisto]

our side are so stupid ad cowardly whether homosexuality, to guns, to the white house being closed while they dine and drink at their concerts or fly some from CT to a photo op fro the anti gun agenda. GOP THE COWARDS WHO KEEP ON GIVING TO THE SOCIALISTS.

The GOP aren't cowards and they aren't stupid. They don't have to give in to people they are already ideologically aligned with. Mitt Romney, the pro-gay adoption, pro-homo military, pro-socialist healthcare, one term liberal Governor of Massachusetts, was their last loser Presidential nominee for cripes sake. The Republican Party is not on "our" side.

[Gator113]

While I enjoy and respect your tenacity on this, the fix is in.

There will be a news conference tomorrow morning, wherein these traitors will break the news in more detail.

[1010RD]

I don't know that the filibuster is the right strategy. If you threaten a filibuster, but then demand an open amendment process, you actually get the best of both worlds.

Drag the vulnerable Dems through the mud. Make them vote over and over again to take away our guns and then defeat the bill.

Actually, given the GOP history of failure, I prefer the filibuster.

[X-spurt]

Don't think dingy-harry will let this get to a vote. It certainly will not pass the House and dems are growing increasingly paranoid about 2014 and another cranked up backlash like 2010.

LibDems talk it up big time, same as many other far left “things” tossed out to scare and distract from the Grand Theft of the Treasury the libs and their partners are perpetrating.

[longtermmemmory]

nobody wake up john “i don’t understand” mccain. he is still napping in the corner.

[nonliberal]

Fight until hell freezes over, then fight on the ice.

[redgolum]

It will pass. The GOP will sell us out. Again.

[rcrngroup]

I think Coburn's position is to destroy them within 3 days.

Ohhhh yes, that gives me great assurance that a socialist, RAT bastard gubmint, led by the Great Satan himself, 0dumb0shit, will honor their promise to destroy gun records in 3 days. Here's a novel idea to the gubmint.... YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING! How 'bout that?

[redgolum]

Kind of like Obmacare?

[Windflier]

Fight until hell freezes over, then fight on the ice.

Indeed.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
-- Winston Churchill

[Cheerio]

Mark Levin EXPLODES!!: "An Up And Down Vote On The 2nd Amendment Is

[sport]

obamacare didn’t pass either, did it? That was all I heard,”It will never pass the _________” “It won’tget pass ______”, “The Supreme Court will declare it Unconstitutional”. In 2014 it [obamacare] will in full force.

[Cheerio]

Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

IMHO they are NOT being destroyed in 3 days. I read an article over the weekend that ATF is keeping gun sale records in separate regional data bases and therefore outside of the law. I cannot find that article tonight but did find these two articles. The Admin does whatever it wants the laws be damned. This attitude is in the RAT DNA.

BATF Backdoor Firearms Registration Scheme

“ATF has never maintained a database of lawful firearms owners“? Oh, yeah? What about this:

The ATF Firearm Tracing System (eTrace) provides manual & automated data retrieval of lawful firearms owners and transactions from the following sources:

1. All previous firearms traces from all sources,

2. Dealer, Importer, and Manufacturer computer, paper or microfilm “Bound Book” Out-of-Business records (including digital files required by ATF Ruling 2008-2),

3. Dealer “Bound Book” records (computer and/or paper) copied or photographed by ATF during annual inspections.

4 ATF Form 4473 from dealers copied or photographed during annual inspections and in Out-of-Business records.

5. Multiple Firearm Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4)

6. Traditional trace phone calls to the manufacturer, distributor and final selling dealer,

7. Additional data sources, such as some state firearms sales records as required by state law or policy.

8. Dealer “Bound Books” over 20 years old voluntarily sent in to ATF, including some antique firearms allowed to be entered in “Bound Books”.

9. Stolen firearms reported to ATF (Not NCIC).

10. System 2000 automated retrieval system from manufacturers, importers and distributors (100 companies as of 2010)

11. Certain firearms dealers required by ATF to report certain used firearms transaction to ATF for entry into the Firearms Tracing System.

12. For every firearm reported stolen to the NCIC stolen firearms database, New Jersey now automatically submits a trace to ATF (NJ Trace System). ATF is reported as working on a similar program.

13. Some state firearm registration systems are being loaded into the ATF tracing system.

14. In a press release, New Jersey admits tracing (from police records) all of private gun purchases into the ATF Firearms Tracing System through eTrace. By state law, New York and Connecticut also require tracing of all such private purchase firearms.

15. ATF hired private consultants to catalog information on firearms and submit trace requests from police departments to ATF.

16. ATF has imposed a requirement (pilot project) to report all dealer multiple sales (2 or more) of all semi-auto rifles with a detachable magazine greater than .22 caliber. (Currently restricted to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas – border states with Mexico). This requirement includes 100 year old Model 1907 Winchester rifles, WWII M1 Carbines, German G43 rifles, FN 49 rifles, and many other historic firearms of primary interest to collectors which are not known to be used by Mexican drug catels. Over 7,000 lawful firearm sales reported to date.

This is not an inclusive list, as other sources exist.

[Windflier]

I read an article over the weekend that ATF is keeping gun sale records in separate regional data bases and therefore outside of the law. I cannot find that article tonight but did find these two articles.

Thanks for the report, Cheerio.

Have you posted either of those articles as a separate thread? Every Freeper needs to see that information. It needs to go viral.

[Tzimisce]

Don’t worry: this will never pass. There are a lot of Democrats from conservative districts who will be tough elections. So calm down.

-The smartest people in the conservative room, March 2010 right before Obamacare passed....

[Carry_Okie]

The talks hit a snag, however, on the issue of record-keeping – Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.

Coburn actually believes that the government will abide by the law? After Fast & Furious???

Sounds like he's taking too many meds.

[Windflier]

I just posted the source article of your post #55.

ATF Death Watch 148: Lies, Damned Lies and Federal Gun Registries

[RedHeeler]

This is a revitalization of windfire, under Carter and Bush 41.