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I seem to recall a few people here claiming that was why Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax, so it could be smothered later on. Anyone else remember that?
1 posted on 04/01/2013 6:01:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Perhaps, but Satan himself is behind this, and backing 0bama, so I wouldn’t bet the farm that this attack on 0bamacare is going to get anywhere.


2 posted on 04/01/2013 6:03:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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IIRC, the bill originated in the House, didn’t it? It was taken (and amended) by the Senate, then the House had to re-vote on the changed version, as the Senate couldn’t take any changes or go to conference because the GOP gained enough seats to filibuster it.


3 posted on 04/01/2013 6:04:49 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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ya, what a brilliant idea. Why kill it then when years (and billions of dollars) later we can kill it because it was a tax that started in the senate that was placed in a stripped out house bill that means it likely started in the house but now we have to ask Roberts if that is ok.


4 posted on 04/01/2013 6:07:48 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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It would be nice if Roberts had that ulterior motive, but if his intent was to squash it he could have just done it right then and there and said there was no way a government could FORCE you to buy something, and calling it a tax did not make it right, because only certain people will be ‘taxed’ which violated the fairness clause.


5 posted on 04/01/2013 6:07:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 04/01/2013 6:09:57 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 04/01/2013 6:09:57 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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Somebody finally woke up.


12 posted on 04/01/2013 6:20:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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Nothing will kill Obamacare, nothing.

The Dems want it, the GOPe wants it, and the 47% thinks it’s the path to their goal of sitting on their butts doing nothing.

Obamacare is here, it ain’t going anywhere. I’d bet money on that.


14 posted on 04/01/2013 6:21:21 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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Yeah. I personally believed that Republican leadership thought that Obamacare would get more people to vote for Romney to repeal it. It will get thrown out because it violates the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. Obama will call that judgment “unAmerican” or some bulls***, to which the response will be “Well, you thought their FIRST ruling was correct, right?”

We’ll see!


15 posted on 04/01/2013 6:26:34 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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We don’t even know who wrote it.

Congress does not know who wrote it!

Congress for the most part didn’t even READ IT!!!

HOW THE HELL does ANYONE determine which house it originated in???


18 posted on 04/01/2013 6:37:13 AM PDT by Safrguns
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After decades of the government milking us like nothing more than cows for our entire working careers, CommieCare is just the tool they need to extract the few remaining dollars from us before they put us in the ground.

Please stop using the term ObamaCare as I don’t want to spend the rest of my life being reminded of the NAPA in the White Hut.

Anyone looking to the USSC for salvation believes in the Easter Bunny.

These black robed traitors to the Constitution are nothing more than political hacks with their endless stream of 5-4 decisions.

HONEST people, well schooled in the founding of this country and a grasp of the Federalist Papers, could not consistently come up with 5-4 decisions unless they are nothing more than political hacks working for the government. The citizens be damned. The USSC judges are traitors pure and simple and should be treated as such.

If, on the other hand, our Constitution and our laws are so difficult to understand that brilliant USSC judges cannot agree what they mean, I then maintain “Ignorance of the Law” is a perfectly valid excuse and we are free to Ignore what 9 alleged “brilliant jurists” cannot agree upon.

4/9ths of us should be able to opt out of CommieCare if 4/9 ths of the most brilliant legal minds agree with us.


20 posted on 04/01/2013 6:43:21 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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Gimmie a break! There is no place for the Constitution, rules or laws anymore.


21 posted on 04/01/2013 6:45:39 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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With all the Roberts bashing at the time, don’t remember this particulR reasoning, although this could be a logical reason for his call.

Most folks, including some Freepers, rarely understand that reasoning and moves at the SCOTUS level are more like Chess than Checkers, except for the ultra-lib lesbo witches.


22 posted on 04/01/2013 6:47:38 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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"The Senate may amend a House bill in any way it deems advisable, even by amending it with a total substitute, without running afoul of the Origination Clause.”

No shortage of ways to ignore the constitution when that is the intent of those in Congress or of the federal courts.

26 posted on 04/01/2013 6:54:27 AM PDT by Will88
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“I seem to recall a few people here claiming that was why Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax, so it could be smothered later on. Anyone else remember that?” I remember something to that effect....


27 posted on 04/01/2013 6:58:25 AM PDT by stickywillie (how come there's no father-in-law jokes?)
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contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House

THANK YOU!

Many of us were pointing out the same thing before this abomination crawled its way through the courts!

29 posted on 04/01/2013 7:22:38 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Please do not mistake my devotion to fairness as permission to be used as a doormat)
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Now that the GOP is caving on illegal immigration (Thanks Rubio!!), they will realize that the new population is going to want “free” healthcare.

Look for an “evolved” position on Obamacare from the GOP soon. Its no coincidence that the majority of the GOP did not support defunding it.


30 posted on 04/01/2013 7:29:05 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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No Roberts called it a tax because it was and it was argued by Obama’s lawyers as a tax. He didn’t care how Congress made their sausage. Obama’s lawyers argued tax and it was published that they were doing this before the Roberts decision.

This was not all new. They followed the FDR playbook on Social Security and they openly admitted so (Biden opened his mouth about following the FDR playbook).

It’s the old adage that if we don’t learn from history we are condemned to repeat it.

Tons were written about this 3 years ago and Rush Limbaugh had many segments devoted to it. I researched it thoroughly and warned that it would be upheld as a tax while most everyone else were placing their bets on commerce clause arguments.

FDR argued for an old age pension fund later named ‘Social Security’. He saw that he would lose in court so he instructed his lawyers to argue it was a tax ***in court*** while at the same time claiming it was a pension premium ***in public***.

I hope the Pacific Legal Foundation is successful but I have my doubts. It can be said the House acquiesced and nothing more needs to be said.


31 posted on 04/01/2013 7:30:07 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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“I seem to recall a few people here claiming that was why Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax, so it could be smothered later on. Anyone else remember that?”

That would be me. And a few others who were partially clear headed and not believing that the sky is falling.

If this makes it to the Supreme Court, you can bet Roberts will be jumping up and down to rule for the Plaintiff.


33 posted on 04/01/2013 7:31:11 AM PDT by saleman
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Yes. Also, that he wanted to squash further abuse of the commerce clause.

I hope one of these efforts will succeed. McConnell also purportedly has a plan.


35 posted on 04/01/2013 7:37:51 AM PDT by firebrand
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