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The term "libertarian" is being corrupted by those who want to substitute Government for social norms & strictures. The Founding Fathers were libertarians, and basically so defined themselves. But they certainly did not favor any form of social anarchy.

In the 20th Century, it was the big government advocates who undermined the established social norms; the social values that mandated individual responsibility & accountability; that stigmatized having children out of wedlock; that ostracized those who engaged in anti-social behavior, of many forms.

The confusion, here, also reflects in part the effects of over-dependence on Government. People have the ridiculous notion that only via big-Government can we deal with anti-social behavior. This is because the big government crowd has basically undermined the whole effect of social stigmas, by suggesting that Government is society's only effective answer. It isn't, and wasn't.

William Flax [Truth Based Logic]

87 posted on 03/22/2013 10:28:27 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

I concur.


101 posted on 03/22/2013 10:57:49 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Ohioan
The Founding Fathers were libertarians, and basically so defined themselves.

Do you really think that the Founding Fathers would agree with the parts of the LP platform wanting, for instance, no laws against porn, abortion, prostitutes, sodomy, all drugs (meth, whatever) and open borders with anyone who wants sauntering right in? The FF had no problem with states having laws against immoral behavior. No libertarians ever adress this, no matter how many times I ask them particularly about this. They totally ignore that, and as such, they all debate (I use that term loosely) dishonestly.

143 posted on 03/22/2013 5:38:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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