Posted on 03/22/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Your mixed bag of "instances," moreover, is very confused. There were laws against some of your litany, not against others. But the laws against crimes based upon private moral considerations, were State Laws. The Federal Government was not intended to act as a keeper of the individual's morals. That, as questions of health, education & welfare, were properly left to the States.
William Flax
I agree with you regarding the duties and responsibilities of the states and the fedgov.
I’ve “debated” enough with people who call themselves ‘libertarians’, large L and small, on FR, to know what happens when I try. I’m foolish to ever try it. If they don’t agree with much of the LP platform, they should choose another word to describe their philosophy.
Looks like you’re famous for having your own baseball team too!
Ha...what a great collection of pictures on your home page..good to hear from you, take care!
Social conservatives should be the most fervent libertarians out there. The government has NEVER and will NEVER be a vehicle for social conservative policy. The permanent bipartisan elite is profoundly anti-social-conservative and has always used the power of government to move the line from wherever it is to one notch left. Gay marriage today, no different from abortion in the 1970s, school prayer, birth control and divorce in the 1960s, etc.
Deprive the government of its power to impose values, and you empower individuals to preserve their own values for themselves and their kids.
RE: I’m going to have a 17 ounce Coca Cola with my lunch. Is that okay with the Socons?
I don’t see why the answer from SoCons would be “NO”.
SoCons might PERSONALLY disapprove of what you’re doing, but I don’t think they would want government to create a law making what you’re doing illegal.
I would hope not, but that’s not what I have found from this thread. Personal disapproval without government intervention sounds more like the libertarian position that has been so roundly despised by some here.
What about state laws?
Libertarians are robotic in their thinking. Apply a rule and keep applying it even when it doesn’t apply.
As far as the drug issue, back about a hundred years ago opiates and cocaine were legal because the harmful effects were not know but when medicine discovered the negative aspects of drugs there were laws passed against drug use.
Good point.
Look what “grown adults” do every day. Drunk driving, anyone? Libertarians don’t seem to get the problem of sin in human nature. They think they can reason it all away. Look at a drunken derelict, is that choice reasonable? People do things to themselves and others that are totally unreasonable and even insane. Libertarians seem to want everything in neat tight categories.
From what I heard recently it sounds like a set up to bring the police into the appartment where two homosexuals were engaged in sodomy.
The slimy hands of Grover Norquist is behind this. He was the one who invited libertarians, gays and muslims to CPAC as an strong arm tactic to drive the conservatives out of the party.
I agree that forced "tolerance" "education" and forced "nondiscrimination" are wrong and should be opposed. Do you agree that sodomy behind bedroom doors should remain none of the government's business?
if the government doesn’t know about it, how would it be their business?
The sodomy laws Responsibility2nd calls for would make it government's business. Favor or oppose?
Have you stopped beating your wife/hubby?
Shame you haven't stopped dodging and evading.
Keep it in the closet and there is no problem
Wrong. The situation that ultimately brought sodomy laws before the USSC was people caught in the act of sodomy when the police executed a warrant on an unrelated matter. And for that matter, nothing prevents authorities from seeking a search warrant on the basis of probable cause to suspect violation of sodomy laws.
From what I heard recently it sounds like a set up to bring the police into the appartment where two homosexuals were engaged in sodomy.
Could be. The facts remain that people can be caught in the act of sodomy when the police execute a warrant on an unrelated matter, or enter based on exigent circumstances - and that nothing prevents authorities from seeking a search warrant on the basis of probable cause to suspect violation of sodomy laws ... so it's clearly false to claim "Keep it in the closet and there is no problem."
As a libertarian I can tell you that just because I don’t want the government, with the full force of law cracking down on citizens for certain behaviors - DOES NOT MEAN I FAVOR THOSE BEHAVIORS.
There is a role for individual responsibility as well as family, church, and community intervention.
With a smaller government (less expensive and intrusive), individuals, family and churches will have the opportunity to step up. These entities can handle these problems much more appropriately.
That's a pure fabrication. The only anti-drug laws passed in the 1880s were against smokable opium, and were targeted at the recently immigrated Chinese laborers. Even when the Harrison Narcotic Act was passed in 1914, "The supporters of the Harrison bill said little in the Congressional debates (which lasted several days) about the evils of narcotics addiction in the United States. They talked more about the need to implement The Hague Convention of 1912," which was "aimed primarily at solving the opium problems of the Far East, especially China." "Even Senator Mann of Mann Act fame, spokesman for the bill in the Senate, talked about international obligations rather than domestic morality. On its face, moreover, the Harrison bill did not appear to be a prohibition law at all." (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm)
Funny how selective "moral conservatives" are about which moral behaviors should be governmentally enforced, isn't it?
“The libertarians sure push for their drugs “
That’s the upper-case L libertarians. Not the same thing as a real libertarian.
“There is the philosophy of libertarianism, and there is the Libertarian Party. Obviously, there is a huge amount of overlap, but they are not exactly the same.”
Concur.
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