[jboot]

I think conservatives need to do better at reaching out to blacks...

Really? How can anything that conservatives say or do compete with Free Stuff? Urban blacks aren't chumps: why work when you can access free, no strings attached programs that pay for your food, your rent, your meds and even your cell phone? And more to the point, why vote for the candidate that wants to limit your access to Free Stuff?

We must save America without urban blacks, or despite them. They aren't going to be willing to help themselves any time soon.

[MrB]

The “urban culture” would reform in about 2 generations if the free stuff policies were cut off and normal American behavioral standards were expected.

[cripplecreek]

So be pathetic and insulting if you want but I will question your motives.

[Nowhere Man]

Really? How can anything that conservatives say or do compete with Free Stuff? Urban blacks aren't chumps: why work when you can access free, no strings attached programs that pay for your food, your rent, your meds and even your cell phone? And more to the point, why vote for the candidate that wants to limit your access to Free Stuff?

We must save America without urban blacks, or despite them. They aren't going to be willing to help themselves any time soon.

That's the problem. Cripplecreek is correct in principle but in reality, except for a few, it will not work generally. On election night when Fox called it for the Bamster, Mom went to the bathroom to throw up. I lost it myself, I was on Facebook and I typed on Rush Limbaugh's page, "you know what, the race was lost because Republicans are for virtue, Democrats are for Santa Claus." I added my punch line as I exploded, "how in the Hell can you compete against Santa Claus?" I wonder if Rush got the Santa Claus idea of reading what I typed.

If Jesus ran as a Republican and Santa Claus as a Democrat, I'm sure Santa would still win. I'd even bet my last $5 that if Santa was replaced by Satan, Satan would win.

Maybe race/ethnicity is somewhat a factor, maybe not, maybe it is just cultural, I'm getting jaded and confused myself. I'll state that I'd never stand in anyones' way because of it though nor would I ever harm or advocate harm, but there is a realist side of me that can't help but see that maybe there is a factor here when you have 90% plus Blacks and 70% plus Hispanic vote for Bronco Bama.

Perhaps it is more cultural, they come from places where there is a "Big Daddy" to tell them what to do, hand out things, it takes a village and so on. They do not know or care of our Western values. Yet, their system is on the losing side, we spanned the globe and put man on the Moon.

I guess they need to learn the hard way, mathmetically, there will come a time when we cannot continue the gravy train.