Posted on 03/20/2013 9:57:49 AM PDT by mnehring
Zo has strong words for neo-confederate libertarians, especially those who infiltrated the CPAC conference. He reminds viewers why some libertarians have no place in the conservative movement, and why Republicans should embrace the vision of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.
(Video at link)
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those calling themselves conservatives or republicans but really are liberal tarians are more in tune with the radical left than our side and they need to understand to piss off and spout their crap elsewhere
The term has no definite meaning I'm aware of. However, it is reasonable to apply it to those who think the Confederacy was in the right.
Now it is theoretically possible for a modern person to think the CSA was right only in its desire for state sovereignty, without bringing along all the white supremacist stuff usually associated with support for the Confederacy. Recognizing that white supremacy was an almost universally held POV by white people in the 1860s. North and South.
Unfortunately that's not really the way it works out. While northern racists (most northerners) didn't want to live around or have anything to do with blacks, the dominant southern ideology was a very definite Master Race ideology, and we all know where that tends to lead over time. IOW, southern racism insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters, while northern racism wished blacks would just go away.
While neither POV is admirable or defensible by modern standards, northern racism was at least willing to leave other races alone.
Mechanization would eventually have done away with the need for slaves, and without bankrupting the Southern agrarian economy. I highly doubt that ANYONE -- North or South -- "insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters."
I personally believe that the Confederacy WAS in the right as far as the state sovereignty question is concerned. And while I freely admit to being a racist, since I do not beg forgiveness from black people for sins I've never committed, I do not see myself as a White Supremacist, nor do I align myself with that ideology, which I regard as laughably stupid.
And for what it's worth, I am from an area about as far north of the Mason-Dixon as you can get.
bump for later.. looks like a good post that isn’t worthy of an attempted response when i am freeping on a cellphone
That sounds like a joke in poor taste nothing more.
I honestly don’t understand Zo’s overreaction. He is of course right that slavery was exactly what the Government offers with shelter and food at the compelled cost of liberty.
Such is an evil practice regardless of what does it, as it is forced upon the individuals with which it involves.
That being said I can never again be an advocate of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln may not have believed in the private institution of slavery(A lot of people north and south, prior and certainly after didn’t). But his defining action was not the ending of that institution but rather the ending of the consent of the Governed among theses united States.
That of course opened the door for anther kind of slavery otherwise implicit in the very nature of Government without the consent of the Governed.
It is for that simple reason that I can never again embrace Abraham Lincoln, not because I support slavery but because I am in the strongest of terms against it in all its forms.
“I personally believe that the Confederacy WAS in the right as far as the state sovereignty question is concerned. And while I freely admit to being a racist, since I do not beg forgiveness from black people for sins I’ve never committed, I do not see myself as a White Supremacist, nor do I align myself with that ideology, which I regard as laughably stupid.”
Racist is to demand someone pay for an injustice committed by anther simply because of their race.
You are NOT racist and you should NEVER allow anyone to forget that fact. You must remember most of their constituency are little more than useful idiots when it comes to words and will Not understand the contraction of their actions with words they don’t understand.
check post 3. I understand Zo’s frustration and i may have reacted the same way as zo knowing who the guy was. this wasnt an overreaction. this was a white nationalist from stormfront getting in front of cameras telling african americans they should thank people for slavery and segregation is good. if the cameras weren’t on I would probably have grabbed him by his belt loops and thrown him out of the place and told him to get back to the teddy kennedy demokkkrat party
This I did not know, All I saw was what the man said and judging by what he said and how he said it it appeared to me to be nothing more than a poor tasting sense of humor.
Perhaps he was intending to open a dialogue regarding the injustice some demand of today’s white population for an injury they no more inflicted, than today’s black population has sustained.
Slavery died 150 years ago, it is our mission as conservatives to see to it that it remains dead in all its form, whether that form be a private institution supported by Government, or a public system created and run by government.
Never said that. Said they believed different things.
I highly doubt that ANYONE -- North or South -- "insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters."
Then you just aren't very familiar with the period. In 1800 the consensus, South and North, was that slavery was a bad thing, but nobody knew how to get rid of it safely.
By 1860 most in the North still believed this, but in the South a new consensus had emerged, that slavery of the black man to the white man was the natural order of things, and therefore a positive good.
The new veep of the CSA made an impromptu speech shortly after his election, that as far as I've ever been able to find out was received with unanimous acclaim throughout the South.
" Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1861stephens.asp
I have by no means taken Mr. Stephens out of context. If you like I can find dozens or hundreds of similar quotes that show the South had developeda consensus that slavery was a positive good that should be extended indefinitely both in time and space.
What you’ve posted is very much in line with the secession documents of all of the States. The Confederacy wasn’t about State liberty, they were very narrow focused on a few issues and were very much anti-individual liberty. They didn’t give a rat’s ass about the 10th amendment or Constitutional values. They were even willing to set up a new monocrachy (and for anyone who doesn’t believe this, read the articles of secession by each state).
I'd like to see that carried even farther by placing these kids as temporary interns inside successful businesses.
Brad, that is a very good idea. Noting for later. Urban is the new Green. I am sick of seeing all the bogus green crap in my corp that does absolutely nothing. Maybe this is our ‘in’.
Steal the ‘it takes a village’ from the left. Teach values starting from the challenged youth.
Many ideas... too much drink and on a cell phone... (and getting dirty looks from the better half while I look at a phone when I should be eating..)
Simply writing blacks off is a sure route to failure for conservatives and the GOP.
I’d really like to see conservatives launch an all out assault on the rebuilding of Detroit by way of fixing the people. People like Ben Carson could serve as ideal role models to show that you can rise above a bad situation. I don’t like playing the race game but I think it really needs to start with good black conservatives. Bring in people like Allen West, Mia Love, Star Parker, Afonzo Rachael, Herman cain etc. Get them out there speaking in the churches and the schools to inspire the folks.
The fact is that most American cities will be in much worse shape than Detroit when the bill comes due and we better have a blueprint for fixing them and making them productive again.
In regards to “urban” I was in Louisiana working for a church group for about 10 days after Katrina. We worked in a college gymnasium processing evacuees that were being plucked by boat and helicopter out of the flood. Many whose homes were lost were shipped off to small towns who had agreed to sponsor one or more families. It would be interesting to see how these people are doing today.
I worked in medium security prisons for four years in Tennessee and Colorado as an addictions counselor. I know for a fact when you put the right inmate in the right program his behavior will improve to the point where he becomes a social asset rather than a deficit. This begins with the belief system.
The south may have been aware of it, but they did nothing to resolve it. As a matter of fact they went decidedly in the opposite direction. The confed constitution (a cobbled up copy of the United States Constitution) included verbiage that specifically allowed internal slave trade (while prohibiting importation of slaves) and in 9.4 extended the explicit right to own other human beings in perpetuity.
The confed south did indeed "insist(ed) blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters."
I associate neo confederate with being anti federalist and pro states rights.
-—”I’m not racist, but I am culturalist..”
Exactly what I’ve been saying to friends for years!
And there are objective ways of measuring culture.
Some cultures are complex and have developed science and the arts far more than others. Some cultures have respect for basic individual freedoms and others quash freedoms.
So it’s easy to say one culture is superior to another and in doing so, one is not being a bigot. Rather, one is being scientific & objective.
The liberal blacks have tried to take control of that debate by making "black" both a race and a culture.
They will tell you men like Clarence Thomas aren't "black", because they doesn't fit the cultural mold - they're not "down with the cause", so it's not about race. But if you find any fault with "black" culture, then it will be characterized as being about race, and you will be called a racist.
Zo is right.
However, as whites become a minority tribe, they are going to have to deal with the Left’s diversity racists in a different way. They won’t be able to serve as the Left’s racial whipping boy any more.
White racists are no worse than Muslim, black or brown racists. I can’t stand any of them.
Thanks mnehring.
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