About half of what you said is accurate, sickoflibs. The rest shows signs of spin. The closer you got to the end of your post, the more accurate you became. AuntB is hooked on presenting a Mexican poll and pretending it’s a poll of Latino-Americans. I think your spin is unintentional and you’re just repeating what you’ve been told. Hers is deliberate.
I know a lot of Latinos. The ones who are here legally. The ones who were born here. The ones who can vote legally. You know, there are Latino families in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and New Mexico who have been living here for 200-300 years.
AuntB claims that she’s “educating” us. Here’s some real education.
The illegals cause a lot of problems for Latinos who are here legally. To a very large extent, the illegals are predators and the legal Latinos are their favorite prey.
Think about it. If you’re here illegally from Mexico, with brown skin, and you speak about seven or eight words of English with a heavy accent (if you can speak any at all), whose identity are you most likely to steal: Mike Murphy, Vladimir Volkov, or Tony Gonzalez? Obviously you’re going to steal the identity of Tony Gonzalez. Because you can convince a potential employer, a potential landlord, and even the cops that you really are Antonio Gonzalez.
Illegal Latinos drive up the cost of renting an apartment or buying a used car for legal Latinos, because they stay in the Latino community. And they drive down wages for legal Latinos for the same reason.
If they’re dealing drugs, they’re dealing to the sons and daughters of legal Latinos. If they’re stalking young girls, their most likely victims are the daughters of legal Latinos. Because those victims are the ones they see every day.
Yes, some legal Latinos have family members who are illegal or still living in Mexico, and they want to reunite their families here where the money is. Where the good life is. Who can blame them?
But the ones who have their entire families here are very much opposed to amnesty. And if we can just get the illegal Latinos out of the country, and prevent them from voting illegally, you will all see a substantial change in the way the rest of them vote, and respond to polls.
If we turn our backs on legal Latinos, and drive them away with harsh, racist rhetoric, we are finished as a political party.
Finished.
On the other hand your attack on her was unprovoked and out of line.
The obvious point of the thread was to refute the canard thrown around by certain open border types as a justification for loosening conservative attitudes towards the illegal population. Polls consistently show it is not true, and while it may be harsh theres nothing racist about calling an untruth what it is.
most immigrants vote democrat...legal too
even Cubans now
white immigrants tend to vote GOP but all else doe not...some claim Sikhs vote GOP and maybe older Viets and older Cubans but now
as a majority THEY ALL vote for identity preference\
and being personal with AuntB ain;t gonna fix anything
the only thing that will is just temporary political victories
a conservative candidate might get out more white conservatives to vote
but we will never know since we can't seem to nominate one with folks who think like you are talking here running FOX, the GOP and National Review and Wall Street Journal and Wash Times and most importantly state primaries etc
latinos have not as a rule assimilated to our ways...their crime, unemployment and illegitimacy rates are only slightly below tropical Africans...native or immigrant
Orientals...I hate that non specific term Asian..who knows why...like Jews most are well off and enjoying the “dream” but they buy into the victimhood culture and I guess view America and the West as one long transgression of white Christian excess that has only held folks different down rather than been the purveyor of civilizing and liberty bearing forces
I got news for you Bryan
comes down to it...this won't be settled with votes
at some point the race...yes I'm saying it...the race or culture if that sounds better that pretty much conquered the world is going to wake up and fight back and folks of color and non Christian who believe in the same things will join us...there are a few
and those who don't can join Blue State whites and non whites and we'll see how it goes
I do not think the heritage I came from will surrender all with just a whimper...i sure hope not and I am training mine to resist
We should be emphasizing that legal Hispanics are not thrilled to have illegals living among them but of course the Republicans do not have the intelligence to even think of this much less use this to woo more Hispanics. Many Hispanics, when in the privacy of the voting booth will definately vote to get the neighborhood destroying, job taking illegals out of the country.
Too much is made of racial loyalty. If Hell’s Angels moved into a white neighborhood you can be sure there would be no racial loyalty to them even though they have the same skin color as the rest of the neighborhood. Same thing with Hispanics who respect the law. They do not want gangs in their neighborhood, they do not want their schoolrooms overflowing with the illegals children that the legal Hispanics have to pay for while their children’s education is going downhill. This is a quality of life issue to people who want to live in a nice neighborhood, want jobs and want to keep their taxes down. Besides, many of the Hispanics are illegals and cannot vote so why would we care what they think? It is the legal Hispanics who are over 18 and are citizens that we should care about. That reduces their numbers quite a bit.
First you tell us that the latinos agree with us about illegals then you call us racists for what we said. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.
There is no proof of your claim about latinos. They DO NOT vote conservative in any way, shape or form.
Bush promised them "a new America" and he still only got about 44%. What more do we need to promise them to get over the 50%? Our country on a silver platter?
If legal Hispanics were opposed to illegal immigration you wouldn’t see both parties climbing all over themselves to make illegals voting citizens.
Hell, if Hispanics were not demanding amnesty then the bad rhetoric on Hispanics could just be lowered by stopping talking about amnesty. No, they are demanding it and the GOP has done nothing to convince them otherwise.
Hispanics are pretty much 70 to 80% in favor of Obama’s initiatives. The same way they voted last election. Its not just economic issues which I would understand but its social issues too.
You are defying reality by claiming the contrary.
RE :”If we turn our backs on legal Latinos, and drive them away with harsh, racist rhetoric, we are finished as a political party.”
I agree with you there are have posted that before.
Last year Republicans did great helping motivating the Dem base Hispanics to get out and vote, like hitting a growing bee’s nest with a bat.
At this stage the best they can do is try to convince Hispanics that Obama is lying to them so they don't vote. Citizenship for illegals as the GOP working for is a great way to give Dems the endless majority.
I know a lot of Latinos. The ones who are here legally. The ones who were born here. The ones who can vote legally. You know, there are Latino families in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and New Mexico who have been living here for 200-300 years.
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Yes, some legal Latinos have family members who are illegal or still living in Mexico, and they want to reunite their families here where the money is. Where the good life is. Who can blame them?
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so which is it ???
are they Latinos from Latinoland or are they Americans ???
You know the relatives of illegal aliens and those still living in Mexico...
Since you seem to insist those relatives are the descendants of wetbacks who came to the US 20-300 years ago, the illegal aliens cannot be close family members after all...
The immediate family members for the last few generations would be American citizens...
unless your nice “Americans” arent that careful about who they marry or mate with...
My family go back nearly 400 years in the US...
but I never did manage to have any illegal alien close family members...
Gee I wonder what Im doing wrong ???
I noticced you did admit they are here for greed for the money and not because they love America...
I can blame them...its easy...
Why dont they stay in mexico where the livin is just as easy and good...
Why not ???
Because Mexico wont put up with their junk...wont give them handouts and excuse their crimes...
these are criminals ...
and since you seem to love your illegal aliens so much, adopt a couple and take them home and support them yourself...
let them drive your best car and sleep in your bed...
get and extra job and feed them all...
if you adiopt a mixed couple of pet illegal aliens in about 3 years they will have increased by about 4 more...
have lotsa fun Gringo...
I missed this part until I read TN’s response to you.
The problem is that these recent(illegal) immigrants and their kids are drawing a disproportionate amount of $$$ for anti-poverty programs. And as soon as they vote its a disaster. In fact the same is true for poor LEGAL immigrant families.
This is now a question of survival. Legalizing them and especially giving them the vote is disastrous.
We don't need more poor hungry sad looking families formed by illegals to get on camera in more leftist documentaries showing how mean the rich (us with jobs) are to poor Hispanic children in America, just sitting by letting them suffer,. We got plenty of them already.