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To: Lee'sGhost; Sloth; rockrr; Bubba Ho-Tep
Lee'sGhost: "Comrade Brojoe couldn’t be more wrong."

Sorry, I let you get away with a ludicrous post trying to equate your views to Madison's.
You couldn't be more wrong.

Lee'sGhost: "Even Federalist Madison opined that there was/is an 'extraconstitutional right to revolt against conditions of ‘intolerable oppression’; but if the case cannot be made (that such conditions exist), then he rejected secession—as a violation of the Constitution."

Madison's view is exactly my own, and yours exactly the opposite.

Lee'sGhost: "The only way Comrade Brojoe can square with his beliefs is to have us believe that the oppression being brought upon the south was of the tolerable type."

When South Carolina first declared secession, in December 1860, there was not only no "tolerable type" oppression, there was no oppression -- none, zero, zip, nada.
So South Carolina and every other Deep South state declared secession, in Madison's term: "at pleasure", meaning not for some constitutionally justifiable reason.

Then those states immediately committed many acts of rebellion, insurrection and "domestic violence" before starting outright war by assaulting Fort Sumter, in April 1861.
On May 6, 1861 the Confederacy formally declared war on the United States.

But the first Confederate soldier killed directly in battle with a Union force came on June 10, 1861.

Bottom line: while the Confederacy declared secession "at pleasure" thus violating our Founders Original Intent, the Union delayed responding to the Confederacy's many acts of rebellion or war until all possibility of peace was gone.

810 posted on 03/21/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Better put some ice on that lip, comrade.
LOL!


811 posted on 03/21/2013 8:00:04 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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