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Georgia Legislators Propose Ending Direct Election of Senators—Why Not Just Get Rid of the Senate?
Mother Jones (yeah, I know, I know) ^ | February 15, 2013 | Tim Murphy

Posted on 02/17/2013 10:14:16 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is a matter of public record that the United States Senate is a terrible place where serious policy issues are ignored; routine votes are occasionally delayed over concerns about non-existent terrorist groups; and proverbial cans are proverbially kicked down the proverbial road of sadness, gridlock, and despair.

What's less clear is why the Senate is such a congress of louts. Is it the endless pressure to raise money? The never-ending campaign? The fact that Americans hold lots of substantive disagreements on important things and are themselves—it's been said—somewhat dysfunctional?

Actually, according to Georgia state Rep. Buzz Brockaway, the biggest problem with the Senate is that it's democratically elected. Brockaway, a Republican, has introduced a bill in the state legislature to repeal the 17th Amendment, which provides for the direct election of senators, and instead restore the responsibility of choosing members to state legislatures (as was the process until 1913).

The bill, HR 273, laments that "the Seventeenth Amendment has resulted in a large federal government with power and control that cannot be checked by the states," and suggests that "the original purpose of the United States Senate was to protect the sovereignty of the states from the federal government and to give each individual state government representation in the federal legislative branch of government."

If the bill passed, Georgia would be the first state to endorse repealing the 17th Amendment, but the idea has gained traction among conservatives over the last few decades. Texas Gov. Rick Perry supports it; so do GOP Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Jeff Flake of Arizona. (Republican Indiana Sen. candidate Richard Mourdock endorsed the idea during his campaign last year, before, in an ironic twist, losing the popular vote.) As Salon's Alex Seitz-Wald noted in 2012, conservatives blame the 17th Amendment for trampling over the rights of states by changing the constituency to which senators are accountable.

Of course, introducing a bill is the easy part. Getting voters to agree to give up their right to vote will probably be a tough sell.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; 1913; buzzbrockaway; federalism; hr273; legislature; mikelee; repeal; resolution; richardmourdock; rickperry; senate; states; statesrights
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1 posted on 02/17/2013 10:14:30 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“Buzz Brockaway” who couldnt trust someone with a name like that?


2 posted on 02/17/2013 10:16:31 PM PST by funfan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m in.


3 posted on 02/17/2013 10:16:31 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: funfan

Ha!


4 posted on 02/17/2013 10:19:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I like it.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 10:20:01 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

lol.

I think we should allow state legislatures to choose at least one of the two Senators from each state


6 posted on 02/17/2013 10:21:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

~bump~


7 posted on 02/17/2013 10:28:22 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
   The 17th Amendment was a horrible mistake. The 16th was even worse and both should be repealed.
8 posted on 02/17/2013 10:30:13 PM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don’t get this and I’m not sure I like it—someone convince me otherwise.

“Getting voters to agree to give up their right to vote will probably be a tough sell.”

Do we even HAVE a “vote” anymore?-—

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY

Just who is going to be in a position to “affect” this? Someone we “voted” for?


9 posted on 02/17/2013 10:32:47 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Senate is probably the most unAmerican institution in the country.


10 posted on 02/17/2013 10:33:09 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I agree. Senators originally were to champion their State’s interests from being encroached upon by the Federal Government.

Once direct elections were enacted, we’ve seen a massive power grab by Washington, and the Senate has lost its connection to the constituent states.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 10:36:53 PM PST by Shadow44
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Yes. But have you considered that those state legislatures would pick someone to the left of the voters every time. No one to the right of Dianne Feinstein would ever be in the Senate again.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 10:36:53 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Someone please correct me if am wrong. Are not a majority of the States’ legislatures controlled by republicans? If true then the Senate would be in republican hands. Now for the catch 22 ... a majority of the electorate does not support selected over elected, if am reading the TEA leaves properly. I truly do not know what the TEA party has said on this matter and have not investigated or researched. May have to go on a to do list to do the search.
13 posted on 02/17/2013 10:40:46 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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“No one to the right of Dianne Feinstein would ever be in the Senate again.”

Perhaps that problem could be solved by requiring the first Senate seat to be appointed by the state assembly majority leader and the second seat appointed by the state assembly minority leader?


14 posted on 02/17/2013 10:43:51 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Getting voters to agree to give up their right to vote will probably be a tough sell.

Is this guy on drugs or what? Nobody is losing their right to vote.
If anything repealing the 17th would make the votes of voters much more influential, as well as being more meaningful, to the people seeking office in their own States!

JMHO

15 posted on 02/17/2013 10:45:55 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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That’s why we need to clean out the legisl00tures and the Republican party before actually repealing the 17th. Nothing like a crony Senate.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 10:46:05 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: WhiskeyX

The math adds up from your suggestion. Majority of states under control of whatever party controls the Senate.


17 posted on 02/17/2013 10:47:06 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The house members (who originally were the ‘everyday man’ legislators), were elected. The idea being they would serve 2-4 years and go home. But the senate was appointed by (the powers that be)....really could the appointment be worse than the elected.......????


18 posted on 02/17/2013 10:49:28 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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iirc at the time the change was made from what was to what is now, the outcry was a crony Senate. I could be wrong though there was some sort of outcry for the change to be made.
19 posted on 02/17/2013 10:50:23 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: svcw

Once “appointed” (by who?), how difficult to have them removed?


20 posted on 02/17/2013 10:56:31 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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