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To: butterdezillion
"That’s what she said. Right?"
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Butter, that's the third time you've done that! Are you being silly on purpose? What's the point of totally distorting what I said and then trying to get me to agree that you're quoting me accurately? That's just a childish game.

You must have breezed over my previous post too quickly. I explicitly said that Col. Roberts's order to Lakin to report to his office was a lawful order. And you are obviously totally ignorant of what Col. Lind actually wrote, or you wouldn't be getting all of this wrong. She was very specific about why the orders that Lakin received were lawful. You obviously disagree with her, but she is the Chief Judge of the First Judicial Circuit. I haven't seen you cite any legal sources that would indicate that you are right and she is wrong.

I know you have these spectacular fantasies about Joseph Stalin or Osama bin Laden sending us off to war, but please, let's try to keep it rational. This court-martial was about an order for an Army man to report to his commanding officer's office. He disobeyed the order and was punished.

And you do understand why his project was doomed to failure, don't you? It's really very obvious. We don't give our military the power to judge the President's qualifications -- under any circumstances.

According to the Constitution, the military is under civilian control, and I hope you will agree that it must always remain so.

If the President has an eligibility problem, it must be addressed by the Congress. And it's not too late -- the House is in Republican hands, and hearings could be called at any time.

But to suggest that a military court should judge the President's eligibility would be, I'm sure you would agree, anathema to the Founding Fathers.
174 posted on 02/15/2013 7:16:54 PM PST by BigGuy22
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To: BigGuy22

I am just breezing over what you say because I’m looking for a specific rebuttal to what I said. When Lind said that the eligibility of the President is “irrelevant” to the lawfulness of orders, that means it doesn’t matter if it was somebody ineligible - like Joseph Stalin. Right?

If Joseph Stalin had been President and everybody knew he was ineligible, how would Lind’s decision have been any different? According to her own words, it would be irrelevant even if the whole wide world knew that the guy was ineligible and got into office through forgery, fraud, perjury, and treason. That’s what she said. Right?

And the reason I want to bring this point home is because I was in the middle of getting the evidence to show to this judge, and she ruled that it didn’t matter. She said - as if directly addressing me - that I could have a videotape of the guy admitting that he had committed perjury, forgery, perjury, obstruction of justice, and treason, and it would make absolutely no difference. The guy could be sitting in Gitmo as a foreign enemy combatant, and the military would still be “lawfully” doing whatever he tells them to do, throughout the chain of command. That’s what she said. That is what her ruling means.

I just want you and everybody else to come eyeball to eyeball with the full impact of what she said. She is saying that even after taking the oaths to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, every person in the military would HAVE to obey a known foreign enemy combatant in the White House, with no recourse - because nothing they do is subject to the requirements of the Constitution, War Powers Act, Authorization to Use Force, or the regulations of the military which expressly state that orders not in compliance with the US Constitution are UNLAWFUL.

I just want you to say it loud, say it proud: If Joseph Stalin took an oath of office to be POTUS, everything the chain of command ordered at his bidding would be lawful and nobody could ever LAWFULLY even legally challenge the lawfulness of anything. There is NO WAY for an officer to successfully keep his oath of office if the country elects Joseph Stalin. The only oath he can actually keep is to protect and defend the US Constitution if it never NEEDS to be protected because the voters already ARE protecting it.

IOW, the military requires officers to take oaths they can never keep. If the system wasn’t already stacked in favor of the foreign enemy combatant, I’d say Lakin and the others would have a good case for saying the US military is guilty of entrapment - requiring something they know is not possible, because they MAKE it impossible.


176 posted on 02/15/2013 8:00:23 PM PST by butterdezillion
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