“Do you believe Barack Obama is a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen?”
If born in the USA, yes. If not, then no. That is the law, and has been unchallenged since the Wong Kim Ark case in the late 1800s.
If someone wants to challenge him based on birth outside the US, then they need proof BEFORE starting a court case. Courts do not exist to do investigations.
You said:
‘If born in the USA, yes.’
Even though Obama Jr’s father was a British Subject?
Normally you would be correct, here you are not: you see in a military case there are stronger compulsory process/powers for the accused [that is, investigation] precisely because of the constraints imposed upon them by orders (and the consequences of acting on them when illegitimate).
It was touched on, IIRC, here.
“If born in the USA, yes. If not, then no.”
U.S. Citizenship can be lost for those born in the U.S with a U.S. citizen mother and a foreign national father.
See U.S. Supreme Court, Vance v. Terrazas, 444 U.S. 252 (1980)
Vance v. Terrazas
Appellee, who was a citizen of both the United States and Mexico at birth, subsequently obtained a certificate of Mexican citizenship after executing an application in which he swore allegiance to Mexico and expressly renounced his United States citizenship. Thereafter, the Department of State issued a certificate of loss of nationality, and the Board of Appellate Review of the Department of State affirmed. Appellee then brought suit for a declaration of his United States nationality, but the District Court concluded that the United States had proved by a preponderance of the evidence that appellee had knowingly and voluntarily taken an oath of allegiance to Mexico and renounced allegiance to the United States, thus voluntarily relinquishing United States citizenship pursuant to § 349(a)(2). The Court of Appeals reversed and remanded, holding that Congress had no power to legislate the evidentiary standard contained in § 349(c), and that the Constitution required that proof be not merely by a preponderance of the evidence, but by “clear, convincing and unequivocal evidence.”
577 F.2d 7, reversed and remanded.
WHITE, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and BLACKMUN, POWELL, and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined. MARSHALL, J., post, p. 444 U. S. 270, and STEVENS, J., post, p. 444 U. S. 272, filed opinions concurring in part and dissenting in part. BRENNAN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in Part II of which STEWART, J., joined, post, p. 444 U. S. 274. STEWART, J., filed a dissenting statement, post, p. 444 U. S. 270.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/444/252/
Does the military hierarchy exist to do investigations as to whether orders are lawful? (Not whether the orders have to be obeyed, but whether they are lawful).
What responsibility did the military have once there was evidence that the man at the top of the chain of command had committed crimes to cover up his documentation (which we now know, from registrar Alvin Onaka’s indirect confirmation, is legally non-valid so that there are no legally-established birth facts for Obama)? Specifically everybody at Lakin’s level or higher - the ones he appealed to for answers - whose oath was to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, which Obama would be if he hid who he was so he could hold office unlawfully (which we now know he did).
When the judge shifted to say that orders are lawful even if they don’t comply with the law, we were in the process of providing evidence to overcome the presumption of regularity - that the statements by Hawaii officials didn’t mean what people presumed they meant. That included information about Virginia Sunahara, the alteration of the 1960-64 birth index to include non-valid names, statements from HDOH workers that Obama’s records were treated differently, etc. The day after I was put in contact with Lakin’s team, to work on providing evidence to overcome the presumption of regularity, my husband had sparking right next to his engine; the sheathing either all decayed uniformly at the same time or else it was cut. Within days my daughter’s computer - which I was using because mine had been fried about a month earlier - was hit with a massive trojan that totally fried it.
And then shortly after that the judge ruled that nothing we came up with would matter anyway. The order was lawful even if Joseph Stalin had ordered it - as long as Joseph Stalin had taken an oath of office (that he would have been breaking even in the act of taking...).
Dang it, I just said I wasn’t going to engage on this. I’ll just offer the parting question again - already knowing that the answer I’ve been given before is “nothing”: What, exactly, is an officer supposed to do, in order to keep his oath to protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, when that enemy is in the White House? And why would an officer be required to take that oath if there is no lawful way for him to ever actually keep it? Does the US military really require that its officers lie when they take an oath? Is that the behavior they require from men of honor, worthy to serve and represent the US flag?
...................
Lord, give me the strength to walk away from this and leave these questions to the consciences of the people who read this. Make me willing and able to shake the dust off my feet rather than waste time doing what only the final Day will ever be able to accomplish with those who are willingly deceived. Amen.
Was the Ark case specifically about the Constitutional requirements for the presidency/highest office in the USA?