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To: FatMax; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
>> Regarding democracy, I think you are assuming that citizens will vote according to what is constitutional and what is best for society. <<

No, I'm well aware that citizens routinely elect horrible politicians. I am outvoted by my liberal neighbors all the time. What I am assuming, however, is that OVERALL, citizens will make better choices than career politicians would when it comes to selecting Senators. This doesn't mean every Senator they elect will be great constitutional giants. What it does mean is that you will see a handful of solid tea party types elected to the Senate, whereas you are unlikely to ever see such individuals appointed to the Senate by politicians.

>> Look around - that clearly is not the case. Many millions of Americans sit around doing nothing while a shrinking number of taxpayers subsidize their existence. <<

Your argument fits my state legislature to a tee. The vast majority of them are lazy political hacks who sit around doing nothing by a shrinking number of taxpayers subsidize their existence. While half the public collects government goodies, 100% of state politicians collect government goodies. These are the people you want appointing my Senator.

>> Remember, true democracy is a group of wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner... that is what is occurring politically today. <<

Nobody is arguing that because the people have the right to vote for the U.S. Senate, they should have absolute power to do WHATEVER they want by simple majority. The only ones screaming about that insane scenario is you "abolish the 17th amendment" types, and your argument makes as much sense as arguing that the UK is "in danger" of the Queen getting absolute power of her citizens as long as they have a monarchy. Look around you and the Democrats shoving Obamacare down our throats despite the VAST majority of Americans opposing it, or imposing gay marriage with activist judges when the PEOPLE of a state are overwhelmingly against it -- we the people have less and less power over our government, NOT the other way around.

>> That is why we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy - because the Founders wanted to prevent THIS from happening. <<

We are a democratic constitutional republic, which means that millions of ordinary Americans are able to directly vote on all sorts of matters across the country, whether it's recalling governors, passing propositions in Califoria to cut off goodies for illegal aliens and preserve traditional marriage, amending state constitutions, throwing out bad Congressman and Senators, removing judges, electing delegates to national party conventions, and abolishing state agencies. If the founders wanted to PREVENT this from having and create a "Republic, not a democracy", they would have created a North Korean style government where the politicians appoint whoever they want to serve in the federal government and the citizens have absolutely no say whatsoever in the process. If you think that system is preferable, you are welcome to move to such a country.

89 posted on 02/09/2013 12:05:06 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
constitutional republic

You couldn't tell the difference between the republic, as designed by the founders, and your own bung hole.

97 posted on 02/09/2013 3:41:54 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BillyBoy
We are a democratic constitutional republic, which means that millions of ordinary Americans are able to directly vote on all sorts of matters across the country, whether it's recalling governors, passing propositions in Califoria to cut off goodies for illegal aliens and preserve traditional marriage, amending state constitutions, throwing out bad Congressman and Senators, removing judges, electing delegates to national party conventions, and abolishing state agencies. If the founders wanted to PREVENT this from having and create a "Republic, not a democracy", they would have created a North Korean style government where the politicians appoint whoever they want to serve in the federal government and the citizens have absolutely no say whatsoever in the process. If you think that system is preferable, you are welcome to move to such a country.

Words have meanings - you aren't helping your argument by making up your own definitions. I have never heard of a democratic constitutional republic, and the United States certainly isn't one. And it is absurd to suggest that by wanting to return to the original intent that we are wanting to turn our country into North Korea.

Democracy can strip a man's rights just as easy as a king. That is why the Founders created a federalist system of checks and balances and shared power between the federal and state government, with divided, enumerated powers for each.

105 posted on 02/09/2013 4:29:32 PM PST by FatMax
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