DHS adds another 200,000 rounds to its 2 billion round stockpile

Examiner.com ^ | January 4, 2013 | Ryan Keller

[Buffalo Head]

"Hollow-Point” ammunition is banned by The Geneva Conventions for use against ENEMY combatants...."

Not true. Please get your facts straight before posting on this forum.

The Hague Conventions addresses the types of weapons that can be used in civilized warfare, among other things.

The Geneva Conventions address how prisoners of war are to be treated, among other things. Neither convention address the types of weapons that can be used against terrorists.

[Buffalo Head]

"Must be some sort of a shell corporation."

It is. Was set up to get around the "Small Business Set Aside" requirement of the contract. They are a "Provider" not a "Manufacturer". This is one of the games played in the federal government acquisition process. Some contracts are set aside for woman or minority owned businesses.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Actually, it's the Hague conventions, and no, the US is not a signatory.

Doesn't cover "terrorists" anyway, which is what we are in our govt's eyes.

[PeterPrinciple]

For one, “It seems that the Evian Group was formed on December 12, 2012, just 5 days before the announcement of the solicitation,” writes Smith.

The price that the agency paid for the rounds is suspect too, according to Smith.

“The contract for 200,000 rounds was $45,758, which boils down to about $0.21 per round. And to be quiet (sic) honest, that (is) a really good price. As in, unheard of good price.”

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How does selling to the govt at a discount help?\

When I investigated the contracts they were for a small quantity with an OPTION for a larger purchase. My view was that this was a way to reduce availability at their discretion.

Is it possible that the contract was bid low for the initial purchase but at a higher price for optional purchases.

[theBuckwheat]

This is exactly the exercise I was hoping someone would work through so we could get some perspective on the scope of ammo usage. But it remains a bit of a curiosity that nobody fairly far up in DHS hasn’t issued some type of internal document of the policy narrative. They sure are opaque for being the most transparent of any regime in history.

[rktman]

Had I had the picture I would have posted it. LOL!

[sergeantdave]

“This really is a non issue.”

Thanks for putting it into the proper perspective. However, this won’t stop some FR sheep from stampeding over the cliff, insisting that the forecasters at the National Weather Service will be shooting cop-killer bullets out their arses and making kills at 500 yards.

[GOPJ]

We all feel something is happening. Things don’t add up. Remember last year when the the Social Security Administration bought millions and millions of bullets? More than their security guards could use in a few hundred years.

And flies in the White House? Do you know how flies are ‘grown? They ‘bloom’ in rotting flesh...

[Karliner]

No worries they’re all for the Mexican border. More lies amd hopes and dreams to come. Now who are they really for?

[vanilla swirl]

“A LEO recently told me that hollow points are not used in target practice because they are way too expensive for that.

Why did the DHS purchase 1.8 billion rounds of .40 cal hollow point rounds?”

That is EXACTLY the problem I have with these stories.
Yes, I understand the target practice and qualifying needs.
But hollow point?

My gut tells me that this is more disinfo to piss us off and make us look silly.
(Although I am prepared for otherwise ;-)

[WildHighlander57]

What if it IS over a period of ten years?

And see post #29, about “Evian” company.

There also was a link to an analysis and contract list, that showed the numbers.... lemme look and I will post the link to it.

[WildHighlander57]

Found the link, its in post #2 in this thread.

[WildHighlander57]

Also see #2, #10, #11 and the math done by CharlesWayneCT

[rodguy911]

Gee I can’t imagine what high ranking politico lives in Vegas and had some problems in saaaayy Searchlight,Nev. and barely got re-elcted back to the Senate as majority leader.
Maybe this is all a huge con just trying to elecit the reaponses from us that they are getting whle making a fat buck in the process.I wouldlike to see if any of this ammo even exists.

[rodguy911]

Maybe syrian rebels need a lot more ammo than we ever dreamed.Once again if it even exists.

[PLMerite]

There is no Department of Human Resources in the US Gov’t:

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

There is a Department of Health and Human Services.

If the official document said DHS, it’s Homeland Security.

[PLMerite]

Someone better check if anyone connected to Harry Reid is involved.

And make sure the ammo actually exists and isn’t just “ghost bullets.”

[usurper]

The thing is, when you use ammo for practice and training you don’t use hallow point ammo. You use cheap ball ammo so you don’t waste money.

Good God man...we are talking about the federal government here.

As you and others have pointed out +P is expensive and hard on the weapons over time. Years ago they did use cheep ammo for practice but that changed about 15 years ago. The thinking at the time was that if all you did was practice with light weight ammo your performance during a real shootout with high-power ammo could be significantly altered. At any rate that was the thinking at the time.

I retired two years ago and I can assure that they use the +P hollowpoints for practice. If you look at their purchases they don't buy anything else in 40 cal.

As for being hard on the weapons they have a replacement schedule, after so many years they simply replacement them.

None of this is cost effective but hey its the federal government did you really expect anything different.

[bandleader]

Unfortunately,you are RIGHT!Thomas Jefferson said we needed a”Revolution”about every 20-years!!That means we are 216-years LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!