Posted on 01/31/2013 2:43:47 PM PST by rhema
In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.
Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.
The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for family of five will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.
“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.
Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.
In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.
To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.
In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.
Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.
For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:
“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.
"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.
"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).
"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”
No, that is totally unacceptable.
That whole bunch of corrupt inside traders and their corrupt lobbyist partners along with the corrupt judges need to be prosecuted and sent to prison.
The laws have to apply to everyone equally in order for this republic to function as intended. We are witnessing what happens when the laws are ignored.
15,000 new agents? 3 million guns sold the end of 2012? The news is full of numbers.
It would be very easy to tie the IRS up long term if people just filled their returns out the old-fashioned way, by hand. Accurate, handcopy the turbotax output if you want, but handwritten in such a way that the IRS automated scanners cannot be certain and kick it out for human review. Make them work for the money.
bflr
......and not knowing will not be an excuse for not paying for the insurance or the penalty....it never is with the IRS. This is insane.
What’s left uncovered in spite of a $20,000.00 annual “penalty”/tax??? BOHICA!!!
Actually the article says that the premium is $2600, if you do all the IRS bs calculations.
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(ii) Under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(C) of this section, the credit allowable under section
36B is determined pursuant to section 36B. With household income at 347 percent of
the Federal poverty line, the applicable percentage is 9.5. Because each month in 2016
is a coverage month (within the meaning of §1.36B-3(c)), the maximum credit allowable under section 36B is the excess of the premium for the applicable benchmark plan over
the product of the household income and the applicable percentage ($17,400).
Therefore, under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(A) of this section, the required contribution for M,
N, P, and Q is $2,600. Under paragraph (f)(2) of this section, M, N, P, and Q have
affordable coverage for 2016 because their required contribution ($2,600) does not
exceed 8 percent of their household income ($6,400).
(ii) Under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(C) of this section, the credit allowable under section
36B is determined pursuant to section 36B. With household income at 347 percent of
the Federal poverty line, the applicable percentage is 9.5. Because each month in 2016
is a coverage month (within the meaning of §1.36B-3(c)), the maximum credit allowable
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under section 36B is the excess of the premium for the applicable benchmark plan over
the product of the household income and the applicable percentage ($17,400).
Therefore, under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(A) of this section, the required contribution for M,
N, P, and Q is $2,600. Under paragraph (f)(2) of this section, M, N, P, and Q have
affordable coverage for 2016 because their required contribution ($2,600) does not
exceed 8 percent of their household income ($6,400).
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The annual payment is $2600, not $20,000. The 20K is used as the basis for some sort of income scaling.
(ii) Under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(C) of this section, the credit allowable under section
36B is determined pursuant to section 36B. With household income at 347 percent of
the Federal poverty line, the applicable percentage is 9.5. Because each month in 2016
is a coverage month (within the meaning of §1.36B-3(c)), the maximum credit allowable
under section 36B is the excess of the premium for the applicable benchmark plan over
the product of the household income and the applicable percentage ($17,400).
Therefore, under paragraph (e)(4)(ii)(A) of this section, the required contribution for M,
N, P, and Q is $2,600. Under paragraph (f)(2) of this section, M, N, P, and Q have
affordable coverage for 2016 because their required contribution ($2,600) does not
exceed 8 percent of their household income ($6,400).
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The amount they pay is $2600 not $20,000.
Thanks rhema.
It’s a service-based economy, but it doesn’t have to be great service, right?
Page 60 is what you are looking for, and if you go through the whole example you see that the payment for a family of 4 making 80K is $2600, the 20K is part of how IRS calculates the income-adjusted payment.
$2600 not $20,000
See? There's the problem. I did read the post and here's why I ask:
(From the article):
Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.
A family of four (or five), with gross income of $20,000, will not have any taxable income (adjusted gross income) and will qualify for the EITC. If the working spouse gets insurance from his employer, but cannot afford the insurance offered for his wife and kids (if he wants to feed, house and clothe them), is he subject to the fine (Obama)/tax (USSC)?
doctors? what doctors?
We’ll be seeing PA’s and nurses.
Wow, that will get the Dem pols scrambling......
I’m guessing but I suspect he’ll get coverage paid for by the rest of us.
People here argue whether the regime/Obama is predominantly communist or fascist, when it looks more like the system is one crafted out of any number of diabolical totalitarian historical experiments. A hybrid beast unlike all previous beasts, more dreadful and terrible than the ones before it...
For a real eye-opener compare the Hebrew word for demagogue to Gog, Magog, and especially to [eretz] ha-Magog:
דמגוג
גוג
מגוג
ארץ המגוג
Amputate the already "unattached left foot" that is in the letter hei, and ha-Magog becomes demagogue, which reveals Gog 44 (mem + dalet = 44, + Gog). Or that "Dem", [who is] Gog...
המגוג
דמגוג
I mean seriously, how many Hebrew words contain both Gog and Magog? Seems like it would be a pretty short list, variants of demagogue, the very definition of community organizer #44.
Surprised I haven't seen this one on the geula forums but the intertoobz is pretty big. I probably missed it.
Looks like that family would be exempt from penalties.
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(f) Household income below filing threshold—(1) In general. An individual is an
exempt individual for any taxable year for which the individual’s household income is
less than the applicable filing threshold.
(2) Applicable filing threshold—(i) In general. For purposes of this section,
applicable filing threshold means the amount of gross income that would trigger an
individual’s requirement to file a Federal income tax return under section 6012(a)(1).
(ii) Certain dependents. The applicable filing threshold for an individual who is
properly claimed as a dependent by another taxpayer is equal to the other taxpayer’s
applicable filing threshold.
The mental midgets at the IRS are going to be able to do all of this math?
HA! That is unlikely.
I could not follow the example they gave. Too many missing steps.
That's until single-payer, which Obama's aiming to get or set up.
Under Obama's single-payer, I picture a van and mobile med clinics. Kind of like the old bookmobiles from the library that would drive around a neighborhood.
Only instead of checking out books they're checking out you. Of course the medical van will only come once every few months, so better not get sick in the meantime. And no, there won't be actual doctors just nurse practitioners who speak English as a second language, and medical assistants earning their degrees. Every appointment will be exactly 5 minutes long or less. And of course, anyone over 50 will be last in line to be seen. Over 60 and you're on your own. All this will be at the bargain price of 58% of your income in taxes.
So the families with incomes of about 25k per year, will live off 5k all year long, in tents under freeway overpasses.
I think this will create a massive black market for medical services. Families will have no choice but to pay the “penalty/tax” and seek care on a cash basis from those who will be more than willing to provide it.
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