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To: Kaslin

Fiscal Conservatism and Social Conservatism are linked.

With the Great Society, the government established ground rules: personal responsibility doesn’t matter. Work ethic doesn’t matter. School and family do not matter. Do whatever you want — the government has tons of money and will do whatever it can to help you maintain a lifestyle that is fun and void of all responsibility.

Any Fiscal Conservative should read the above and say, “We need to cut back the government.”

And any Social Conservative should read the above and say, “It’s no wonder so many people have gotten involved in drugs over the past 40 or 50 years.”

One could say that “we’ve lost the drug war” — but I think it is more important to note that we’ve lost the “limited government” part of our heritage. With fewer social programs, we’d probably have a whole lot less reason to worry about people taking drugs.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 11:06:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
One could say that “we’ve lost the drug war” — but I think it is more important to note that we’ve lost the “limited government” part of our heritage. With fewer social programs, we’d probably have a whole lot less reason to worry about people taking drugs.

We lost our war on alcohol in the near absence of social programs. And why are we "worrying" about people taking drugs in any case?

11 posted on 01/08/2013 11:10:35 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Kaslin

Handing the government the power to prohibit the use of certain substances leads to the loss of limited government. It’s not the other way around. And once you’ve ceded the principle, stop whining when people try to add to the list.

I’m always amazed when conservative rail about government control of soft drinks, fast food, and tobacco but stand arm and arm with the Drug Warriors.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 11:26:40 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ClearCase_guy

I was recently reading William Graham Sumner’s “What the Social Classes Owe to Eachother,” which is from the 1880s, when the state was vastly less involved in our lives but the exact same arguments for its expansion we hear today were gaining momentum. He goes on about how throwing winos in the drunk tank supports them in their drunkenness. Which seems counterintuitive, but is plain as day when you think about it for a moment.

Personal responsibility takes care of itself, unlike the Welfare State. In the very least we know problems like drunkenness or drug addiction take care of themselves if people do not. You won’t be a drunk forever on your own, unless you happen to be a famous writer or somesuch. Why do we interfere with this process? Out of sympathy for the drunk? But that’s their problem. Because we fear worse should drunkenness be unbound? For instance I’m always hearing about how heroin addicts will be robbing me to make a living in the event heroin is legalized. But they already do that, first of all. And there’s be a lot less heroin addicts if we stopped taking care of them, because heroin is a deadly addiction.

Some people just can’t see how criminalizing a thing can give you more of it. But what gives you more of it still is coddling the abusers. That is, the Welfare State gives you more people who need welfare. Worst of all possible outcomes may be legalizing drugs and coddling users in the warm embrace of the state. From a practical perspective, not according to the dictates of justice, that is. Putting them behind bars is better than leaving them free and paying all their bills if you want not to support their habits, I’ll admit.


39 posted on 01/08/2013 11:46:12 AM PST by Tublecane
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