Posted on 12/23/2012 4:24:30 AM PST by AtlasStalled
Don’t mess with Marlboro Township. The leafy, well-heeled New Jersey suburb will station a permanent armed cop in each of its nine schools starting Jan. 2. * * * The mayor and other town officials had approved the initiative before the chief of the National Rifle Association ignited a firestorm on Friday by calling for armed guards for schools.
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The females I know in elementary education should not be packing heat.
Because if they actually solved the problem, then they would no longer have a “crisis” they’d have to react to. No crisis, no extreme solutions, no extreme solutions, no increasing stranglehold on the people.
But AFAIK, NJ’s large and medium size cities have had police at their schools for years.
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Many school districts across the country now have their own PDs. A google search may surprise some by showing states/cites with school PDs.
I am totally for having armed personnel at schools... I guess where my concern lies is “who” is armed. I overheard a conversation at my youngest child’s elementary school... a teacher said that no other teacher at that school would be comfortable enough with that responsibility. Her statement was, “I got a teaching degree to teach children. If I wanted to be a cop, I would have gone into law enforcement”. My middle school daughter told me one of her teachers said this to the class..”I wouldn’t have been able to do what the CT teacher did... I’d be out the window in two seconds”. My daughter took the statement as meaning she would protect herself first.. to heck with “you” kids. Not my job type of mentality. Now.. my oldest son is in high school and there is an armed police officer at that school. To be honest, I worry about him the least vs my other two (simply because there is at least one armed person there)
Over the years, I have dealt with teachers that are so liberal, mamby pamby that it would curl your hair. Some of the teachers admitted to dealing with their own Manic Depression of Bipolar disorders. One of my sons teachers in middle school was arrested for waving his uh.. thing at a bus of school kids. Another showed up three sheets to the wind so often that the county finally forced him into rehab (or be fired). A third would often fall asleep in class after taking some sort of prescription pills.
I am all for having someone trained/confident in his/her ability and armed in schools. I guess where my concern lies is the “who” part. For example, I know my own county has a lot of police officers on limited/light duty for issues such as a bad knee, etc.. I am fine with that person being armed at a school. Or, the police officers that are ready to retire in five or less years. I am betting a school security job (m-f, day time, no weekends etc..) would be snatched up immediately. And for the teachers who have the constitution for being armed, I’m fine with it as long as they accept the responsibility wholeheartedly.
——— A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.
I consider that to be a rather foolish statement. It presumes the staff capable of maintaining and more importantly using a weapon. The cost of one armed sworn officer can be paid for by making minor staff reductions. The assistant public relations person, the third level coach, the teacher’s assistant assistant, the second vice principal and on and on can be eliminated.
There will never be federal funds for security. That is the task of the local school boards. Those must make the decision that real security outweighs the political delusion of peace and light.
As a practical matter, most police Departments have extra marked cars and vans. When not in use they should be parked in the parking lots of schools and moved daily. Might give a psycho pause to think there may be a cop visiting the building.
True. Armed combat is not easy, I am sure a teacher can step forward and take the training and have one at the school.
Still we are talking remote odds here. A shooter coming in to a school is super unlikely. Swimming pools kill more children than guns. Are we filling them in?
See post #24. I responded almost exactly to what you posted. Sorry I didn’t read yours first. Yes... retired cops, and almost retired cops. I know for a fact that after 15 plus years of rotating shifts, weekends, holidays etc.. they would have more than enough applications for elementary, middle and high schools. Willy the Janitor would be perfect... lol!
I rather be taxed for armed guards in schools than section 8 rent and EBT cards!
That’s funny. Let’s pulled the armed guards from congress and put them in schools? Tee-hee.
Really. If it prevents shootings and saves lives, the MSM would have a melt-down. A foiled sniper attempt would provide only about 30 minutes of news clips, instead of weeks of grueling coverage. Also, a good guy with a gun would be a hero... and we certainly can’t have THAT! The media’s anti-gun agenda would be in jeopardy.
I said allow, not require. I’m not against armed security, but a single security person may not be enough to stop or mitigate such an event. You would likely not get many takers in the blue cities.
if every state would just announce that everyone is guaranteed the right to bear arms and criminals will have to face the consequences, then attacks like this will diminish because everyone can be armed.
Maybe a few more school massacres will change her mind.
Oh I totally agree with you. As someone said last week, the last line of defense for your child is their teacher. Hmmmm. There were some heroes at Sandy Hook, no doubt; however, a lot of teachers are Lefty libs ... do I want to trust my kid’s life to them? No way.
Either properly trained teachers who volunteer to carry and who WILL step up and defend the kids, an armed security guard (some of them can be worthless), an off-duty armed cop, retired armed military ... I’d be ok with that. These whackos who do the shooting are looking to make a statement and notoriety is part of it, too. They are looking for the “path of least resistance”. The VT shooter killed himself when he heard the police breaking in, the Sandy Hook shooter killed himself when he heard the sirens ..... these shooters do NOT want to be taken alive, they need to have ‘the power’ and they want easy victims. An armed person(s), whether teacher, guard, cop, military is a *deterrent* ... something the media and the Lefties don’t seem to understand. It’s why crime goes down when there is concealed carry - the bad guys don’t want to take the chance that someone is armed. This is why *gun-free* zones are a magnet for shooters. As I said, it will happen again because while the Lefties want to ban guns, they can’t ban evil ... in fact, they are evil enablers themselves. Hmmmm .... next Leftie who goes after me on guns, that’s what I’m going to tell them... “YOU are an EVIL enabler”. I pray your kids will stay safe ... I can’t imagine have kids in public schools right now.
“A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.”
Considering the fact that, generally, the teachers are actually not in the job “for the children”, but for their own self interests, I’m not sure this is a good idea. If a shooter showed up, they’d be like George Costanza at the birthday party fire — pushing the kids out of the way to escape.
I’d be more comfortable with students who’ve been NRA-certified, and ROTC members, being armed. I’d trust them more to make level-headed decisions and do the right thing.
Even better... get the kids out of public schools and either home-school or send to private schools.
“The females I know in elementary education should not be packing heat.”
I think this cuts right through to the heart of the matter, something most other posters here miss.
The reality is that 95% or more of the teachers and school administrative staff (at least in the blue states) would reject outright the notion of carrying a concealed weapon. The majority would be horrified at the thought (as a majority are probably liberal and embrace the “gun control ideal”). They would support a plan for the government to take YOUR weapons away, it it could.
For a substantial minority, it would probably be unwise to put a weapon in their possession. Either they wouldn’t be able to manage it in a crisis situation — or they might become “a crisis situation”, themselves...
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