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To: Red in Blue PA

I’ve been a NRA member for most of my life and here are a few of my observations. After which I will get flamed.
1. As an owner of many firearms, I would give them all up if I thought they would save the lives of these precious kindergarteners.( I do not think this would happen)

2. This horrific, demonic, evil killing is an extension of liberals wantonly killing over 50 million babies via abortion.

3. Our country is a post Christian country that wants nothing to do with God’s laws. Evil always attacks the innocent children 1st.

4. There are some aspects of the gun culture that I believe need to be curbed. People obsessed with AR type rifles and extended magazines should carefully check their motives to make sure they are there to protect the truly innocent.

5. This is the 5th or so senseless slaying of innocents in the past few years, Something is seriously amiss in American Culture.

6. People with any degree of aggressive mental health problems should be prevented from owning firearms (I know this would not have helped the present situation)

7. Because of our nihilistic culture and our dismissal of God from our public life, It is necessary to put metal detectors and armed policeman in our public schools.

8. having said all of this I do stand by my moniker. All competent Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. With it comes tremendous responsibility. Anything we say in the days ahead should be prefaced with concern and prayers for the 20 some innocent children that had their lives snuffed out by a deranged, probably video-gamed brainwashed moral cretin who should have been institutionalized at the 1st hint of homicidal behavior.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 6:58:58 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: 2nd Amendment
All competent Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms

Therein lies the rub. Who sets the rules? Does a xanax preclude one from owning firearms? It may not now, but if you let's the camel's nose under the tent, you know darn well that in 5 years or so, new mental health provisions will be coming.

There should be ZERO laws to own a gun. Anyone who proves they cannot and uses their gun to even threaten violence will get a 10 year minimum. No pleas bargains and no parole. Recidivists commit 80%+ of crime, though admittedly not they types of massacres we witnessed in CT.

Prohibition did not work.

The "war on drugs" is not working.

And gun laws do not work,...in fact, looking at empirical data such as Cook Country IL and Wash DC, they are have the OPPOSITE effect.
24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:08:05 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: 2nd Amendment

“As an owner of many firearms, I would give them all up if I thought [THAT GIVING THEM UP] would save the lives of these precious kindergarteners.”

Your grammar is corrected. Now please explain your logic.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 7:23:44 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2nd Amendment; elcid1970
1. As an owner of many firearms, I would give them all up if I thought they would save the lives of these precious kindergarteners.( I do not think this would happen)

You would need to be sure that disappearance of your (and possibly all other) firearms would prevent all such violence, from now on and forever. Otherwise it devolves into a classical movie hostage situation. The bad guy takes a hostage and tells the lawman to drop his gun. He does that and the hostage is released. However the bad man immediately grabs another hostage... and the lawman has no gun anymore.

In other words, a permanent sacrifice for a temporary relief is not a fair trade. You give up all that you have, but the opponent remains free to do his evil deed again and again. What is to stop him now? What can stop a lunatic from getting a job as a school bus driver and then wrecking the bus? Will it help if you surrender your driver's license while being guilty of nothing?

It is emotionally understandable that we want to do *something*, but logic tells us that the action should be of help. In this case, IMO, nothing short of daily psychiatric tests could have helped because if he couldn't get his hands on the gun he'd just [...] perhaps no need to give them ideas. The US society has more psychos than any other; but all large countries have their own mass murderers; even Norway didn't escape this fate. It's what some humans are.

IMO, the best action one could take is to severely restrict violence in products of Hollywood. A modern TV viewer is more desensitized to death than a soldier in an army 100 years ago. Death should never be for fun and profit.

35 posted on 12/15/2012 8:06:45 PM PST by Greysard
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To: 2nd Amendment
4. There are some aspects of the gun culture that I believe need to be curbed. People obsessed with AR type rifles and extended magazines should carefully check their motives to make sure they are there to protect the truly innocent

First of all, referring to a "gun culture" plays right into the the gun grabbers' hands. There are Americans who choose to own firearms. Nothing more, nothing less. "Gun culture" as a term is meant to disparage American gun owners.

Secondly, why on Earth is it an "obsession" to like ARs? Why should a person have to "check their motives"? I'm all for protecting people (career military), but deciding to own guns in no way mandates a duty to protect anyone. It is a constitutionaly-protected freedom.

I certainly hope youre not going to become one of those damn "Elmer Fudds" who turns on owners of black rifles in order to protect his precious bolt action hunting rifles from the gun grabbers. Yeah, they'll come for you, too. It's just a matter of time.

47 posted on 12/15/2012 9:55:43 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: 2nd Amendment
After Newtown shooting, it’s time to have that ‘national conversation on guns’ (Codrea)

Nope. It's time to have that national conversation about violent images dumped into the minds of the marginally sane and the evil by the media and the government, whether game industry, movie industry, or abortion industry.

ALL train in the killing of PEOPLE and desensitization to the sacredness of life.

57 posted on 12/16/2012 2:32:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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