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Marco Rubio and the Coming Conservative Revolt
New York Magazine ^ | 12/10/2012 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:24 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Godebert

So WHAT?
SCOTUS did not say this was REQUIRED, SCOTUS simply stated the facts of the case before them?
English Language understanding and an understanding of logic are enough to defeat all of your silly, bogus arguments.

Red Barns are Red.
Red Barns are Barns.

Not every Barn has to be Red.
Not everything that is Red is a Barn.


101 posted on 12/11/2012 10:50:55 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: nickcarraway

Marco Rubio and the Coming Conservative Revolt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rubio is NOT a conservative. This is an attempt to subvert genuine conservatives from taking over the party.
Rubio is a poseur conservative.

What a laugh!If Rubio leads any revolt, it will not be a conservative one!


102 posted on 12/11/2012 10:55:37 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Kansas58

That’s all you have? Some drivel about red barns? Nice, Obot.


103 posted on 12/11/2012 10:59:31 AM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert
I have done more to promote and explain conservatism than you could ever even come close to getting done.

You are an arrogant know-nothing and you have not one accomplishment in politics or in any Court that you can point to.

Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen.

Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at Birth and nothing else.

Every elected official in the country agrees with me.

Every Judge in the country agrees with me.

Every immigration attorney in the country agrees with me.

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neil Bortz, Mark Levin, G. Gordan Liddy and Walter Williams all agree with me.

Landmark Legal Foundation agrees with me.

American Center for Law and Justice agrees with me.

Jay Sekulow agree with me.

Brietbart agreed with me.

You are wrong.

104 posted on 12/11/2012 11:32:25 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: ansel12

I prefer those who can win elections. Losers have zero power to change anything in direction of conservatives.


105 posted on 12/11/2012 11:43:28 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Kansas58

I don’t care how many “experts” you can find to agree with you. The Constitution is not a popularity contest, and America kicks it to the curb at the risk of her own peril.

Funny that back in the 60s when I was taught citizenship in school there was no doubt that natural born meant born on U.S. soil to two citizen parents; now, apparently in the pursuit of One Big Happy World, that criteria has been deemed outdated. Not on my watch.


106 posted on 12/11/2012 11:45:33 AM PST by SuzyQueIN
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To: Norm Lenhart

Romney was at bottom of my list in 2012 primaries.
The only candidate who had a good chance to beat Obama was Cain. But his wife could not handle all the unproven bimbo eruptions, every one of which had a direct Chicago connection. Which tells me Obama machine was afraid of Cain.


107 posted on 12/11/2012 11:46:23 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Tzimisce

I prefer those who can win elections. Losers can’t advance any conservative agenda in Washington, DC. Just ask Akin & Mourdock.


108 posted on 12/11/2012 11:48:52 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: SERE_DOC; bmwcyle

I think you may have missed my sarcasm in that post.

In 2016 I could back Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul, Palin, Jindal.
However the 1st two have the best chance to win.


109 posted on 12/11/2012 11:52:14 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: SuzyQueIN
IF that is really what your were “taught”?

Your teacher was, also, an IDIOT!

Legal matters are ALWAYS a matter of opinion, and you can point to not one single person with any legal authority who agrees with your Birther NONSENSE!

The Constitution has NEVER meant what you claim, on this issue.

Birthers are simply uneducated fools who do not know how do read, do not understand the English language, and do not understand basic logic.

110 posted on 12/11/2012 12:00:17 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Your rudeness only tells me that you’re not secure in your beliefs. As you shouldn’t be.


111 posted on 12/11/2012 12:40:52 PM PST by SuzyQueIN
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To: SuzyQueIN
Conservatives have every right to be rude to you and other Birthers.
You are wasting our time.
You are making conservatives look bad.
You do not listen to experts.

Birtherism is NOT a conservative cause, the first Birther was a Hillary Clinton DEMOCRAT!

Birtherism deserves no respect.

I will oppose anyone becoming POTUS who was not a US Citizen at the moment of birth.

However, YOUR interpretation of NBC is bogus, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

112 posted on 12/11/2012 1:22:24 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: SuzyQueIN
Conservatives have every right to be rude to you and other Birthers.
You are wasting our time.
You are making conservatives look bad.
You do not listen to experts.

Birtherism is NOT a conservative cause, the first Birther was a Hillary Clinton DEMOCRAT!

Birtherism deserves no respect.

I will oppose anyone becoming POTUS who was not a US Citizen at the moment of birth.

However, YOUR interpretation of NBC is bogus, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

113 posted on 12/11/2012 1:22:30 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Again, the criteria isn’t that a President be a U.S. citizen at birth. That designation is fine for anyone beneath the President. The President - and the President alone - has the distinction of having to be a natural born citizen. For further clarification, that means a U.S. citizen “naturally”, as there can be no other possible alternative.

For example, one could be born in Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother, but if said person’s father was a British subject, then that person is not a natural born citizen. Should you point to President Obama as obviously meeting the natural born qualification, you need to be informed that on his fightthesmears website as regards said qualification, he stated that he is native born. Having sat in at least a few Constitutional Law classes at Harvard, I believe he knows of which he speaks: he is indeed native born and under no circumstances natural born.


114 posted on 12/11/2012 1:33:57 PM PST by SuzyQueIN
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To: SuzyQueIN

There are ONLY two classes of Citizenship in the United States:

Natural Born
Naturalized

You are wrong, anyone who is a citizen at the moment of birth IS a Natural Born Citizen.

Nobody with any authority in this country agrees with you.


115 posted on 12/11/2012 2:12:06 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58; SuzyQueIN

She wasn’t the only one taught that. That the president must be born on US soil of two US citizens is what was taught back then. Now in the name of ‘the entire world can raise a child to become US president,’ the socialist re-writers of US history have decided they don’t like US sovereignty so that can’t be allowed to stand. You are among that group.

Just because it does not agree with your personal opinion, you say the truth can’t possibly be true. You can line up as many constitutional subverting clowns, or so-called experts, as you want, but what was true fifty years ago is still true now. The founders of this nation never intended for anyone having mixed loyalty via multiple national ties to become president of the United States. Now you may think it’s all right for Vladimir Putin to bring some pregnant Russian woman over here to give birth on our soil and when that child is of age, it will be able run for president, but the founders expressly added Natural Born to the definition of citizen to keep that from happening. I’m sorry that fact is too much for you to wrap your brain around.

Pitch a fit all you want, but your screaming idiot, nonsense and never does not stand up to the truth. Your rant does absolutely nothing for your argument, but it does draw the wrong kind of attention to yourself.


116 posted on 12/11/2012 2:28:27 PM PST by Waryone
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To: Kansas58
Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen.

I told you you cant argue with idiots and here you are again arguing with people that you deem to be idiots.

All the crap you throw against the wall is just that, crap. The Supreme Court may or may not address the issue, so you are free to apply your flawed interpretation of NBC, but common sense makes you look foolish.

Truth is not really established by corrupt judges and politicians, but they can establish rules and laws.

You have absolutely no proof of your assertion and that is a fact.

117 posted on 12/11/2012 2:32:26 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: driftless2
that the people with the least amount of facts and logic on their side

Especially if their facts contradict your facts.

People should totally ignore common sense and search out corrupt judges opinions that agree with their view. Just because a corrupt system refuses to adjudicate and leaves the issue open to individual interpretation does not establish truth.

118 posted on 12/11/2012 2:41:05 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Kansas58
Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen.

So say you. Global warming is a fact as well I guess.

Frankly Kansas, I don't give a D@mn.

119 posted on 12/11/2012 2:57:28 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Kansas58
It is YOU and the very small number of radical birthers who wish to complicate this matter.

What should we call those who seem to have a vested interest in bringing unknown persons into our Presidency.

Provide a few vetted facts that prove your assertion, start with Nancy Pelosie's fraudulent certification of his eligibility. There are signed document to attest to that and you conveniently ignore that fact.

120 posted on 12/11/2012 3:06:41 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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