Posted on 12/08/2012 8:54:54 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
I definitely agree that the Left has white people cowering in the corner when it comes to race, and that’s a big part of the problem. Just last night, I got into a conversation with a neighbor. It turns out that he’s descended from the Scottish people who were sent over by the British to hold the Ulster Plantation in Ireland for the Crown. I started to talking about the history of that group, and he said something to the effect that they have a lot of answer for in history. That’s so wrong; Scots-Irish have been on the bottom of basically every society that they’ve been a part of, never part of the ruling class, never the beneficiaries of much in the way of privilege or wealth. But here he is apologizing for them as if they were the worst oppressors in history.
Thanks!
School is now in session ;)
“I keep hoping that if they eventually come to see the truth in this example, they might have one of those “glass half full vs glass half empty” epiphany moments. But I’ve not had a lot of luck. “
The question you ask in anything this situation is “Why do you revel in the poverty of others? Do not tall me how you dispise the so called rich. Tell me and the people here why you are happy about ‘winning’ at the expense of the less fortunate.”
One of the lessons I learned in debating libs (at some fairly high levels of influence) is that everything is a performance to them. They ‘play to the crowd’ in an effort to sway the opinion of the emotions of the crowd...and no one wants to be the only person IN that crowd to go against groupthink.
Fact: High School never ends. the majority of people who go to their reunions revert to the people they were on the day they graduated. Only the Alphas break the mold. And it’s likely they were Alphas the day they graduated.
Likewise, in groups of adults, the crowd dynamic is and always has been that the crowd defers to the person who can play them like a fiddle and give them a false sense of belonging.
The key is to humiliate that person before the crowd using his own words to do it.
The crowd then turns on him and follows the strong horse/new Alpha.
You do not have to BE an Alpha. Just play one on TV. And as a conservative plugged in to the factual reality of the world around you, you are pre-equipped to do it.
You just need to ‘do it’.
In a general sense, the flesh and blood people are the conservatives in the GOP.
Governor Sarah Palin is the leader of the conservative portion of the GOP.
Sarah Palin’s husband in 2008 was union, recently blue collar, a tribal member, all of Sarah’s children are tribal members, as is her grandson.
Who do conservatives love, and republican leadership hate?
One think the left fears more than anthing on that subject is historical knowledge by the masses. It’s why the Communists made such a big deal about usurping education.
Truth: We all oppressed ourselves and all around us.
Fact” Blacks sold each other to Arab slave traders. Whites bought them. Indians murdered whites. Whites returned the sentiment. Spain conquored and was conquored. Vikings raped (as in rape-rape, Whoppi ) and the Germans pillaged.
Not a single group or race on the planet has not been oppressed/killed/tortured/et all by another.
And if that sunk in, we’d be another good way to ‘racial harmony’.
Point being, go back far enough and we are ALL guilty, historicly speaking. Thing is, who has the supernatural right to draw the line and where? How can one group be reperated today, (say for slavery as it’s a recent example) while another continues to be oppressed and made war upon (The Jews) by yet ANOTHER group?
Liberal ideas require the lack of knowledge and history o the part of those they attempt to bullshit. Or it just does not work.
They work to ensure that lack of knowledge. And so, it works.
I was so eagerly anticipating Palin v. Obama it's not funny. I still think she would've won. Too many backstabbers in the GOP though, can't blame her for staying out of it.
And too many backstabbers right here on FR. And other ‘conservative sites.
None of them will admit to it. But they STILL go out and spread BS about here here and elsewhere every time she hits the news.
Can’t have her gain any power after all. Gotta knock her down just like the libs do. Of course, it’s really liberals doing it.
And likewise, not a single group or race on the planet has not oppressed/killed/tortured another group. We are all descended from victims and killers. In fact, it's much more likely that we are descended from killers, that's why we're here, and somebody else's descendants are not. Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond has a couple of interesting chapters on how the Bantu people of Africa wiped out dozens, maybe hundreds of other African tribes, and became the predominant people on the continent. Virtually all African-Americans are descended from Bantu people.
Most voted with Romney, I think the percent of whites who voted for Romney is higher than voted for Reagan even during his landslide elections. The forty or so percent who didn’t are made up primarily of extreme leftists, single women/feminists, and gays. Those groups aren’t going to be much easier to reach than blacks.
But anyway, here's an excerpt from the Amazon description:
Through engrossing chronicles of the challenges the Scots-Irish faced, Webb vividly portrays how they developed the qualities that helped settle the American frontier and define the American character.
Born Fighting shows that the Scots-Irish were 40 percent of the Revolutionary War army; they included the pioneers Daniel Boone, Lewis and Clark, Davy Crockett, and Sam Houston; they were the writers Edgar Allan Poe and Mark Twain; and they have given America numerous great military leaders, including Stonewall Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, Audie Murphy, and George S. Patton, as well as most of the soldiers of the Confederacy (only 5 percent of whom owned slaves, and who fought against what they viewed as an invading army). It illustrates how the Scots-Irish redefined American politics, creating the populist movement and giving the country a dozen presidents, including Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton. And it explores how the Scots-Irish culture of isolation, hard luck, stubbornness, and mistrust of the nation’s elite formed and still dominates blue-collar America, the military services, the Bible Belt, and country music.
Both a distinguished work of cultural history and a human drama that speaks straight to the heart of contemporary America, Born Fighting reintroduces America to its most powerful, patriotic, and individualistic cultural group—one too often ignored or taken for granted.
There is a fascinating book I have recommended dozens of times. “The 48 laws of power” by Robert Greene. It should sit on the bedstand of every person that even thinks they might really be a conservative.
It explains so much and so well about power, what it his and how the most powerful people in history have wielded it. For good and evil.
But this and your tribal example really come back to that whole education thing. People have been programmed to believe it’s not ‘cool’ to know things.
“Why” that is, is covered in the 48LP ;)
Then again, judging by your OP, I’ll bet you’ve read it.
Funny you should mention that, because I did suggest exactly that, that he read Webb’s book. I hadn’t heard about the Bush incidence, what a jerk. But yes, excellent book. One of the few books I’ve read in my life that fundamentally changed my understand of the world around me.
I haven’t, but I’ll check it out.
Now, that’s nothing similar to the Democrat policy of basically bribing as much of the population as possible with social welfare programs in order to create an ever-growing class of permanent Democrat voters.
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That is essentially what the news media and Dems blasted Romney for saying after the election. Thank you for acknowledging that the Obama regime did secure votes by giving taxpayers’ dollars to non-contributors in record amounts.
I keep loaning copies out and have yet to get them/one back ;)
Please do. It will put so many things we see politically speaking into rock solid perspective. On the Dem AND the GOP side. Hell regarding any power struggle.
It’s a very dense work and extremely cerebral. But it is SO good.
Your father in law wrote: “ Wisconsin is one clear example where, to pay for the very generous tax breaks given to the rich”
You should have pointed out that there is NO SUCH THING as “paying for a tax cut”. A tax cut isn’t an expenditure. A tax cut is the government stealing less from the people. Or letting them keep more of what they earn. It’s their money in the first place. It belongs to those who earned it. Not to government. Giving tax cuts to people doesn’t cost government one thin dime because its not spending one thin dime when tax cuts are enacted.
Wow, you actually CUT stuff out?!?! That’s a hell of a LONG exchange, but I get the drift. When you said you don’t think you’re as conservative as others here, trust me that you’re not alone! I was accused of being a member of the “GOP-e,” a term I didn’t know until I figured out it was the GOP establishment! Bwahaha! Little did my “FReerepublic Attacker” know — I am about as conservative as they come and yet I was attacked as not being conservative enough, so take heart, enjoy the exchange of ideas, ignore those who appear to be the arbiter of the orthodoxy of your level of conservatism since they seem to be the self-appointed Popes of their own religion.
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