silly F’ers always wanna turn this into an argument about the civil war. its emotionally charged and tied with slavery, its how they end discussion of the subject...
Screw the civil war... Doesnt mean a damn thing today.
If People no longer want to suffer the influence of the stupid M’er F’ers who want to subject everyone to the tyranny of a forced collective. They have the basic human right to break those ties of association, and if enough people in an area (or state) feel the same way they can choose to do the same and setup something more compatible with freedom and liberty.
What exactly happened with the loyalists after the colonies seceded from England?
Sherman Logan is a status quo statist boot licker. The US could elect Hitler Jr. and he would fight anyone wanting to break away. It is his way.
A great many of them were treated the way the losing side in most civil conflicts were traditionally treated: imprisonment and in some cases executions, confiscation of property, disenfranchisement, etc.
About 2% of the population of the United States fled the country in the Loyalist exodus.
Which is why I find southern claims of their great mistreatment after the War so unhistorical, the fact being that the South was treated less harshly than any similar group in history after a great civil war. Exactly one trial and execution for war crimes. Not one for treason.
Actually, the author of the piece on which we are commenting, Mr. Williams, chose to drag the civil war into it. Basing part of his argument on the highly debatable proposition that southern secession was justified as "self-determination."
Notably he included no explanation of how this applied in MS and SC, in both of which states black people were a majority in 1860.
They weren't allowed self-determination of whether they wished to remain in the Union. In fact, they weren't allowed any self-determination at all, being in the eyes of the law merely chattel.
As I said above, there is a legitimate argument for secession today. But when proponents want to justify secession today by legitimizing the Confederacy and by extension the slavery-based society it fought to defend, they are blowing both feet off with a machine gun.
Amen
Do we want to break away from today's Liberty Destroying Liberals or just sit around arguing semantics about a war 150 years ago that has little bearing on today's world?