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Can House Stop U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Gun Grab?
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | November 23, 2012

Posted on 11/23/2012 4:14:54 PM PST by raptor22

Second Amendment: A House resolution, as futile as it may be, represents growing opposition to another administration bow to the U.N. encroachment on U.S. sovereignty at the expense of its laws and even our Constitution.

Treaties are ratified by a two-thirds majority of the Senate, and the final version of the U.N.'s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) may likely be signed by this president and ratified by this Senate, especially if presented as a "sensible restriction" on international arms trafficking with no impact on our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

But some House members are not going to let it happen without a justified protest.

Before the House left for the Thanksgiving break, Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., unveiled a resolution to make the treaty not binding and let no federal funds implement it unless the Senate consents and Congress passes implementing legislation.

The resolution is co-sponsored by 76 other House members, including some Democrats.

"There is considerable cause for alarm regarding the U.N.'s renewed efforts to forge an Arms Trade Treaty that could trample the constitutional rights of Americans and seriously compromise our national security and the security of our allies, whom we will be less able to arm and less quick to defend due to the restrictions placed on us by the ATT," Kelly said.

One of their key objections is with the requirement in the July draft of the treaty — which will be the starting point for final negotiations — for each member state to keep records on "end users," or gun purchasers, for a minimum of 10 years.

Hence, Americans who purchase an imported firearm may have to be registered in the country of origin. Ammunition could also be tracked and logged the same way.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; armstradetreaty; banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; gungrab; guns; ibd; ibdguns; keepandbeararms; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment; tyranny
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To: GeronL
A treaty cannot override the Constitution.

What Constitution. You mean that piece of paper that has been ignored by our communists Government? Total dictatorship not too far off and nothing to fight it. Civil War will never happen.

41 posted on 11/23/2012 7:32:53 PM PST by Logical me
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To: raptor22

The Constitution is a contract between the People and the states, creating a federal government of limited and ennumerated powers.

Note that in a contract, if one side simply violates it at will, the other side may simply walk away without penalty.

If the federal government simply ignores the very document that created it, I am of the opinion that the entire government and all of the “laws” that it has created can be similarly ignored. If millions or tens of millions would, this criminal enterprise calling itself our “government” would collapse in short order.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.


42 posted on 11/23/2012 7:34:11 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Why do blacks think that a half-white multi-millionairre really cares about them?)
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To: Jack Hammer

When the blue helmets kick down the front door, It’s already too late. The Idea is to intercept the convoy ON THE WAY to someone else’s house. You want to make their job so undesirable, it will be nearly impossible to get people to do it.


43 posted on 11/23/2012 8:12:01 PM PST by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: GeronL

Just maybe they are working together,that’s my thought,and i would bet that we the people have not seen anything yet....


44 posted on 11/23/2012 8:16:43 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: GeronL

Then it seems obammy should be charged in oh so many multiple ways for going against the U.S. Constitution.
Hang him.


45 posted on 11/24/2012 3:42:05 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Boiling point
When the blue helmets kick down the front door, It’s already too late. The Idea is to intercept the convoy ON THE WAY to someone else’s house. You want to make their job so undesirable, it will be nearly impossible to get people to do it.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would
things have been like if every Security operative, when he 
went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain 
whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to 
his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for 
example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the 
entire city, people had not simply sat there in their 
lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs 
door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood 
they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the 
downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, 
hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The 
Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of 
officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's 
thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! 
If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we 
had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and 
simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

                          -- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn 

46 posted on 11/24/2012 7:47:28 AM PST by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Of course, the trick here is to get those “millions or tens of millions” coordinated. How many showed up to help the Weaver family? Which militia flanked the FBI at Waco?

So long as Joe Sixpack has to provide support for his wife and 2.3 children he’ll avoid pulling the whiskers of Leviathan. Only when Leviathan actively threatens HIS family will he (maybe) open the gun safes that hold his rifle and ammo (in seperate safes, naturally) and confront the threat. Let’s face it, we ARE a nation of cowards... right now.

Maybe though, in a few years, after a few more officially cleared shootings at wrong addresses Joe will realize that the police are not his friends anymore and he’ll simply go hunting. I doubt that I’ll see that day nor will many on this board. Instead, the screws will tighten so slowly that none of us will see the actual point at which we become the property of “The Ruling Class.” That tactic worked well in Germany and people aren’t much different now than then.


47 posted on 11/24/2012 7:59:55 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Peet

Beautiful quote, thank you.


48 posted on 11/24/2012 9:21:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: oldfart
Of course, the trick here is to get those “millions or tens of millions” coordinated.

If you can't eat you won't fight long and they know it. If you are taken with smallpox, you won't fight long and they know it.

Preparation first, coordination second. In fact, the Biblical coordination system was via extended families, which is the real meaning of the Fifth Commandment.

49 posted on 11/24/2012 9:24:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: WVNan
Did I see shot guns on that list? Shot guns?

To which list do you refer?

What about the hunters?

$oros wants you dependent upon the food he is selling. in his mind, wolves will take care of all those extra deer.

50 posted on 11/24/2012 11:42:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The list of guns in post #22.


51 posted on 11/24/2012 1:39:23 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan

The shotguns listed were semi-auto, but it really doesn’t matter. With Zero this is only a beginning.


52 posted on 11/24/2012 1:51:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Jack Hammer
to confiscate all firearms... what then?

Does anyone remember Crocodile Dundee? That character was based on a real man, who the government of Australia killed because he wouldn’t surrender his guns.

If the Government wants them, they will come and get them.

53 posted on 11/25/2012 1:50:44 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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