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To: DoughtyOne

Secession will end up being the ONLY answer if anyone wishes to keep what is left of their liberty and their lives from the tyranny of the Obama regime.

It will either be that - or submission to this regime being the god of their lives in order to live and survive. Recall that in all Marxist governments, those who do not serve the ideology and regime they are slaves to - live on borrowed time.

As to the ideology of Conservatism being sold to a II Timothy 3 Generation - some of the numbers of this past election bear that the ideals of conservatism are rejected by this people.

Should be no surprise considering this people in the majority have rejected God and have been busy removing him from their lives and this nation while those who claim to follow Him have become lukewarm, having only the form of religion and having no power thereof.

As Adams noted, our form of government under the Constitution “was made only for a moral and religious people, it is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other”.

We are no longer a moral or religious people, and that is the foundation liberty itself, and Conservatism was built on. Today the Ruling Class has redefined Conservatism to be a political loyalty without the need for the moral (or Social) planks.

As Franklin noted “As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters” - and that is what we are now: a vicious and corrupt nation who has empowered the State to be it’s master, and the State imposing it’s authority as Master to maintain order and control of the people.

A nation no longer under God, is a nation that is gone under.

And that is where we sadly are. A people of faith have no power or ability to reform this tyranny in D.C. Not by any means available to us except one - and there are not enough of us willing to risk that.

Therefore, we can only withdraw from supporting it and secede, or bow down and worship it.

It will be one or the other. Make no mistake.


120 posted on 11/15/2012 2:19:50 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Therefore, we can only withdraw from supporting it and secede, or bow down and worship it.

I think anyone who really meant that statement would have by now also thought of a third option - emigration to another country. In fact, that should be the first option that comes to mind when someone decides to divorce himself from the USA.

121 posted on 11/15/2012 2:24:48 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: INVAR

INVAR, I don’t think you really buy into the idea that Romney was the best candidate we could loft, or that he did everything possible from a Conservative point of view to win.

None the less, fewer than 180,000 flipped votes across three states and Romney would have been president.

We cannot continue to misread the teal leaves and make drastic mistakes that would splinter our nation without real cause.

California has the largest body of Hispanics in the nation. Tell me how Romney appealed directly to them, without even entering the state other than to take $15 million away with him after a fundraiser.

He didn’t even ask for their vote, and yet we’re reading all sorts of truths into what their not voting for him meant or didn’t mean.

Could we have gotten 25% more votes from Hispanics in California if Romney had made a number of appearances across the Southland appealing to them on bedrock beliefs they and we share? There is a strong possibility. And it wouldn’t have had to break the bank.

If you separatists would spend as much energy on getting those Hispanic and Black votes as you do on thinking of reasons why you should leave, I think we’d be a lot better off.


125 posted on 11/15/2012 2:37:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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