“I don’t act on historical precedent. I act on my interest and what I think is best for the country.
The new party WILL BE the second party, so you can ride into the background with the moderates.
As long as we keep doing what we have been doing, we’ll get what we’ve been getting.”
“I would offer up historical impeti that have spurred such movements for comparison, but you assign zero value to history.”
“If it’s going to get done, third party, it had better start now with a head of steam.”
wideawake, it’s not that I assign zero value to history, but it seems that you assign to much value to it, if you are saying that there have been some failures in the past, so this can’t succeed.
I feel like I have been in the twilight zone for the last four years, waking up in a new nightmare every day.
How about the Whig’s - they are a testament that change really can happen.
How about the recent history of the losers McCain and Romney, that the pubs put up against Obama?
I offer those as evidence that what we are doing is not working,
After Tea Party conservatives pulled off HISTORIC wins for the 2010 midterms, what thanks did we get from the party, or at the convention?
A thumb in the eyes, again.
I’d say we have a good head of steam right now, if we can find someone to carry the message, that we can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend.
The Whig party was highly unstable - it effectively collapsed after 16 years of existence.
The Whigs, not an effective party in themselves, became the core of the highly effective Republican Party.
The Tea Party cannot be an effective party unto itself, much like the Whigs could not be.
Moreover, the Whigs only became the second party because the Federalists had basically ceased to exist.
If the GOP had only gotten 25% of the vote in this election, that would have recreated the circumstances for its dissoultion and replacement.
The GOP is not dead. It still polls almost 50% nationally. It is stalled out.
It needs new leadership.
“I’d say we have a good head of steam right now, if we can find someone to carry the message, that we can’t keep borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend.”
You dream of a red hot conservative TP’er winning a national election with the current demographics? and the way things are headed?
And what segment is having babies at the fastest clip?
And from what segment are these 43% of unwed mothers?
I can’t say I know just what to do but the future belongs to the majority and they are concentrated in the major population centers. We of the traditional mindset are fast slipping back in numbers, have you noticed? The next generation isn’t like us at all!
We need to teach better values, to win their hearts and minds back to morality and the value of personal responsibility.
But right now we and our values are on our way out! White males are being equated with the devil, a nasty lie that denigrates the white male’s historic contribution in building and running this Country based simply on gender and race.
This needs to be challenged. Identity politics has become accepted as true. It is the opposite of the American dream of a color blind society rewarding people for their accomplishment. Identity politics is evil and bases all judgments on a shallow metric of outward appearances.
We’re all frustrated but let’s face it, red hot anything is only a sliver of the electorate. And the demographics of the Country certainly seem to be changing AWAY from us. Without a coalition of similar interests we’ll not carry a national election by ourselves.
I read your post TWICE and I gotta say you are 100% CORRECT in what you're saying.
The time for all of us to ACT on such an idea is NOW.