Posted on 11/07/2012 4:10:27 PM PST by neverdem
The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population.
If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.
And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.
I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”
And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.
The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.
The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.
Its like the media and GOP are coordinating an attempt to force conservatives to liberalize.
They’ll all be voting straight ticket democrat before I moderate.
Mexican immigrants still hold to the world view of Mexico, where the rich really DO conspire to keep hard working men down, and where the color of your skin CAN keep you from a good job. That history of class oppression is the greatest obstacle we face in convincing many Hispanics to vote for conservatives.
More progressive taxation will not bring in more revenue if people adapt. If a sizable portion of the electorate Goes Galt, there will be less revenue. It is time to stop the motor of the world to quote Ayn Rand, at least for the United States. We need to try and brace up Boehner (probably impossible) to not agree to a debt ceiling increase and no deal involving tax increases in any deal to stop the sequestration scheduled for the end of the year. The US will not recover from its present infection without a lot of tears and trouble. It is time to take it to the wall.
They don’t vote Republican for the same reason all Dem “identity groups” don’t: they’re shortsighted.
There are a lot of poor Mexicans/Hispanics because there are a lot of poor, poorly educated, large family illegals. Illegals tend to be poor and come to the USA for the freebies not available to them in their home Countries.
The Dems have and will always offer more freebies than the Repubs so the Mexicans/Hispanics will vote Dem.
It is pointless for the Repubs to try elto out-Dem the Dems.
As the Mex/Hispanic population increases (courtesy the Dems for most part), the Dem Party will be assured election wins.
Consider how California voted....overwhelmingly Dem, up and down the races and issues. California has an increasingly heavy Mex/Hispanic population of voters (legal or otherwise).
Just as the Blacks vote lockstep Dem, for the freebies, so too will the Mex/Hispanics.
Thus the demographics are changed (and expect Obama/Dems to give amnesty and easy entry of extended families of illegals, giving the Dems an additional est. 25 million votes), forever.
Thus one could reasonably conclude that 2012 was the end of the USA and the start of the USSA.
Other factors are the Dem’s control of “public” education and the MSMedia (now better called Pravda/Tass).
If Obama had been a Republican, the MSM would have had him defeated in a landslide. These days, the MSM are king-makers/public opinion shapers.
As was Pravda/Tass in the old USSR.
Every American family should aspire to be like those in sitcoms:
- Weak-kneed, henpecked, irresponsible father
- Tough but loving and "with it" mother
- Swishy son
- Experimenting daughter
- Tolerant uncles, grandma, etc.
Then and only then will America finally achieve the greatness she deserves!
/sarc & gag
Correct! If you legalize more dem voters, you get more dem voters. If you don’t legalize more dem voters, you won’t get the previously legalized dem voters. There is no winning choice here. The Repub party needs to be clear about this—>simply refuse to play. The long term cost in terms of strengthening the opposition party cannot be overcome even if a handful of short-term votes might be achieved (which is doubtful at best). You cannot win this game so refuse to play. This was clear to me in the 1980’s but the calculations seem to continue to evade some Repub strategists who are convinced that demographic changes demand the Repubs court the Hispanic vote. That CAN be done—the strategists are just not looking at the right solutions.
What we need is a purge of the xenophobe wing of the GOP, and a very vocal change of policy regarding immigration reform.
“We had Trick or Trunk at church. Trick or treating candy distribution out of our cars which were decorated. All of the White Catholics came early and brought the candy. Not one Mexican family was there. Then when the event started, all the mexicans showed up with all of their kids and got all the candy. I learned a lot at that even. A lot of those mexicans could have brought something but they didn’t they showed up and just took. OK?”
Now you see why Halloween is not good for America. Fostering a taker mentality from an early age.
“The GOP has about as much of a chance of courting Hispanic votes as they do Black votes - they are a homogenous group bound together first and foremost by race, perhaps second only to government goodies. They cannot and will never be swayed by ideas. I don’t believe it is possible at this point. And that is all conservatives have to offer - ideas (not goodies).”
We should learn from Canada. Conservatives were able to get Sikhs, Chinese and even African immigrants to vote for them because they reached out to immigrant populations. The GOP is still influenced by Pat Buchanan and Nixon’s ‘us versus them’ mentality.
Texas, Arizona, and Georgia are likely to be in pay by 2016 because of Hispanic immigration. Any other bright ideas?
“What we need is a purge of the xenophobe wing of the GOP, and a very vocal change of policy regarding immigration reform.”
Speak to their values in their language. Don’t send a Meg Whitman or gay white RINO and expect to win hispanics.
Yes, fiscal conservatives. You do need to talk social issues if you want to win. Talk about crime if you don’t want to talk about religion.
Freebies count more with them than do ethics.
As one immigrant said, “You white people are stupid enough to offer (freebies), it is your fault if we take them.”
I agree about asking everyone how they voted before giving them my money or business. Just looking at the percent of Hispanic Catholics (74%) who voted for Obama and now I know when all those Christmas drives in church start for their children that I will not participate. Their vote has a consequence. Just like 95% of black “Protestants” voted for Obama...don’t expect me to supplement your kids and grand kids Christmas toy haul.
“Give us Texas, Louisiana, and a couple of other Red states. The Mexicans and Muslims can have the rest.”
They want it all so that there is no way out. No escape for the successful to be different from everyone else. America is the last big prize because they’ve taken the rest of the world.
First off, let me just say that I am a knuckle-dragging extremist who's no libertarian, although I recognize that they have a place in the party. However, I think it was two factors, neither of which has to do with libertarians, that caused Romney's defeat:
(1) We held on to most of our GOP Congressional seats. The losers lost because they were too conservative for their districts. A UPI poll indicated that 10% of evangelicals said they wouldn't vote for a Mormon. That took him out in FL where he lost by tens of thousands of votes.
(2) Romney's editorial about opposing the auto bailout took him out in the Rust Belt states. That was why Bush supported the bailout - a lifetime in politics taught him elementary electoral math that Romney never had the chance to learn - one of the Rust Belt states (Ohio) provided his margin of victory in both 2000 and 2004.
They may be poor now and they may be a burden on social services now (though I suspect they're heavy users of California's "safety net" simply because the net is there, and wouldn't be there otherwise), but immigrants by and large tend to be a very upwardly mobile demographic group. Members of my own family have married Spanish-speaking spouses from immigrant families, and the second generation in those families tends to be far more conservative than their white, native-born American counterparts.
for the umpteenth time, there are no such thing as “Hispanics” or “Latino”. I write as someone who speaks fluent Spanish and has constant contact with people from all over Latin America.
I am surprised that MacDonald is so ignorant. In California, the majority of immigrants from Latin America are Mexican. They are the absolute lowest rung of that society. Their major interest is in arning money and sending it to their family of 42 people in Mexcio. The person on the thread who commented that they can’t think is completely right. They are guided by voices - on Spanish-language tv and radio - that tells them what to do. They have no loyalty to or interest in this country, just what they can get. They will never vote Republican, because they have no concept of the individual - they come from a country of no real laws, where you survive by being part ofa clan. We should get rid of them, except the ones who have made a contribution by having a restaurant. I curse the “businessmen” who brought them here - or allowed them to flood in unchecked - in order to suppress American wages. I curse them.
“Now you see why Halloween is not good for America. Fostering a taker mentality from an early age.”
Another way to look at it is kids learn that in order to get more stuff, they need to walk further (work). If you sit on you a$$, you get nothing. I wanted lots of candy, so I walked very very far.
Hold on there partner.
Trick or treating is a conservative principle to the core. They come to my door in costume to entertain me and I reward them with a treat. They perform work and then they get pay.
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