Mormon Volunteers Outperform Government in New England Sandy Aid

breitbart.com ^ | 5 Nov 2012 | Dr. Susan Berry

[Grig]

Many who are still without heat, water, and power following Hurricane Sandy, are looking to the federal government to provide the kind of organized and effective disaster relief that can restore their lives. Can private groups and citizens offer what is needed in this time of crisis?...

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I knew a dedicated Mormon woman back in the 1960s who knew who to get in contact with to get an abortificant for her then pregnant daughter.

Just for the record, that was many years before I met them.

[Colofornian]

Pray tell how that was an imposition. The man was dead. His daughter, Ann, is obviously a person of great compassion and love. If the practice in the Mormon Church is foolish, it won't matter.

What? You don't believe your own Book of Mormon, which clearly elucidates that there's NO 2nd chance post-death (as in NONE)???:

Alma 42:16 says that eternal punishment is as eternal as the life of the soul. [It's not temporary] Alma 34:32-35 says there's no second chance: For behold THIS LIFE is the time for men to prepare to meet God...do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life...then cometh the night of darkness wherein THERE CAN BE NO LABOR PERFORMED. Ye CANNOT say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye CANNOT say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world. (I cited parts of vv. 32-34)

What are you, Luke? Tattered by the wind? Scattered by every wind of doctrinal change made by a single man? (Joseph Smith)

So Smith was "right" on the "no second chance" doctrine when the Book of Mormon came out in 1829-1830...but then, when Smith had a change of thought 'bout baptizing the dead due to a death in his family...'twas suddenly a-OK by 1840???

So Alma had it right from 74 B.C. all the way for 1900 years...and then Joe decided he was all washed up...

What do you do, then, Luke...take scissors, then, to Alma 34???

And what do you do, Luke with 2 Nephi 9:38???

And, in fine, wo unto ALL [not SOME] who die in their sins; for they shall return to God, and behold his face, and REMAIN IN THEIR SINS.

That teaching was supposedly handed down on gold plates between 559 and 545 B.C...so that teaching then, you're telling us, stuck around for almost 2400 years...and then, poof, Smith rejects it and trumps it with something that's only been 'round less than 175 years???

Smith REPEATEDLY said in the D&C that the BoM was the "fulness of the Everlasting gospel"...yet it mentions NOTHING about baptisms of the dead...so that means Mormons don't need baptisms of the dead -- at least as far as the narrow Mormon 'gospel' goes...

And if it's not even part of the Mormon 'gospel,' then it's take it or leave it religious ritualism doesn't touch upon "salvation" in any real sense of the term.

[Elsie]

I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.

We were waiting for a TBM to start bragging first.

[Elsie]

I'm surprised there hasn't been some MSM paranoid hissy fit accusing Mormon Helping Hands of being the church trying to help Mitt.

I thought it was the other way around: Mitt helps out the 'church'...

I could be wrong in this.

[Elsie]

They were also one of the first groups to help in Haiti, Katrina and Irene.

NOW we can start!!!

[Elsie]

They were also one of the first groups to help in Haiti, Katrina and Irene.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700009383/LDS-Church-sending-temporary-housing-kits-to-Haiti.html?pg=all

[Elsie]

However, and I am supposing this as someone who isn’t Mormon, I still believe that Romney will get the majority of the Mormon vote anyways, simply because for a lot of Mormons, their community-like structure will simply allow them to spread the word of how decent a guy Romney is regardless.

You believe it; while a lot of us KNOW it!

[Elsie]

However, and I am supposing this as someone who isn’t Mormon, I still believe that Romney will get the majority of the Mormon vote anyways, simply because for a lot of Mormons, their community-like structure will simply allow them to spread the word of how decent a guy Romney is regardless.

You correctly state Mitt's a decent guy.

I have to agree.

But he is STILL deceived by a false religion that the Bible warns about.

[Elsie]

A couple years ago some study showed that Mormons are the most conservative-voting religious community in the USA, so they pretty much already are a voting block for the GOP (in spite of attacks on our faith by evangelical conservatives).

That IS terrible; isn't it!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Obama didn’t go after Mitt’s Mormonism (it is a cult by any Christian definition), because it would have invited attacks on Obama’s Muslim faith; and given a choice, almost everyone would prefer a Mormon to a Muslim.

But WHY?

What has a MUSLIM ever done to them?

[Elsie]

Romney has never tried to impose anything associated with Mormonism on anyone. The people of France agree that he did a VERY poor job there.

[Elsie]

Have we forgotten, already, the two tours in 'Nam oops... France - Mitt did?

[Elsie]

I open up my "handy-dandy" Book of Mormon, to the Book of Moroni, chapter 8, which discusses baptism of children...

How DARE you use MORMON scripture to make your point!

Next thing ya know; one of your ilk will be posting all KINDS of things from our Holy Pages!

--MormonDude(Today's the DAY!!!!!)

[Elsie]

Every now and then, my electric grid goes down; for varying lengths of time.

After one particular worrisome event; I finally bought a generator that could handle all the big appliances in the house.

I have no ‘transfer switch’ (the things are just TOO expensive for the function they do), I merely pull the main breaker, and plug the generator into the 220 welding outlet in the barn and backfeed the house.

When I find the neighbors have lights, I can shut’er down ‘til the next time!