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To: RaisingCain

You are incorrect. According to the Catholic faith, the Pope speaks and acts infallibly. I don’t have a problem with Catholics. In fact, if I weren’t a Mormon, I would have to be a Catholic due to the Priesthood.

While we believe that the President of the LDS Church would not lead us astray, nevertheless, we believe he is just a man and we love and honor him.

P.S. There is no paid clergy in the LDS Church.


233 posted on 10/31/2012 4:15:17 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“You are incorrect. According to the Catholic faith, the Pope speaks and acts infallibly. I don’t have a problem with Catholics. In fact, if I weren’t a Mormon, I would have to be a Catholic due to the Priesthood.”


The Pope, so far as I know, does not lie about Catholic doctrine the way that the Mormon Living Prophet lies about Mormonism depending on the audience. For example, on whether or not God was once a man:

“Don Lattin (San Francisco Chronicle religion editor, interviewing Gordon B. Hinckley, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1): “There are some significant differences in your beliefs [from other Christian churches]. For instance, don’t Mormons believe that God was once a man?”
Hinckley: “I wouldn’t say that. There was a little couplet coined, “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.” Now that’s more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.”

Quoted in Time Magazine, Aug 4, 1997: “On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, [Hinckley] sounded uncertain, `I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don’t know a lot about it, and I don’t think others know a lot about it.’”

However, Joseph Smith called the doctrine of God once being a man the first principle of the Mormon gospel:

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!...........It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God........yea, that God himself, the father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible....” (from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and History of the Church, 6:302-17. This has also been reprinted in various manuals and church magazines over the years. Truman Madsen, in his popular tapes “Joseph Smith the Prophet” said the church has published this sermon more than any other.)

President Kimball said it is in numerous scriptures:

“You and I—what helpless creatures are we! Such limited power we have, and how little can we control the wind and the waves and the storms! We remember the numerous scriptures which, concentrated in a single line, were stated by a former prophet, Lorenzo Snow: ‘As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may become.’” (President Spencer W. Kimball in “Our Great Potential” from the April 1977 Priesthood Session of General Conference)

In 1997, the official Priesthood and Relief Society manual contained the following;:

“President Brigham Young taught ... that God the Father was once a man on another planet who ‘passed the ordeals we are now passing through’” ... “The doctrine that God was once a man and has progressed to become a God is unique to this church.” (”The Teachings of Brigham Young,” 1997, pages 29,34, )

Your Prophet would later lie to Mormons claiming he was “misquoted.”

A compilation of lies told by your prophet can be found here:

http://www.exmormon.org.uk/tol_arch/atozelph/gbh.htm

Also, the Pope, so far as I know, has never given false prophecy, insomuch he does not claim to be a mouthpiece of God. Though, of course, I do disagree with Catholic theology where they contradict the Bible. At least they don’t claim the Bible is wrong, condemn all of the Apostles, distort Jesus Christ, and claim that there are many gods when scripture only teaches one! Comparing Catholicism to Mormonism is like comparing Catholicism to Scientology.

As for the Priesthood, that just demonstrates how little you know the scripture and how much you prefer ritual over spiritual! If I were a Mormon, I’d convert to Christianity since we are all made Kings and Priests in the sight of God through faith in Him. No need to learn any secret handshakes, secret names, tithe 10 percent, swear obedience to men, obey the law perfectly, “sustain” fallible men who are liars, or govern my life based on the burning of my bosom without the benefit of evidence! I need never fear failing my temple recommendation, or what other men think, since there are no special classes in the body of Christ, no levels of priesthood, only Christ our High Priest and the entire body of Christians being one with Him.


235 posted on 10/31/2012 6:37:17 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Saundra Duffy
I don’t have a problem with Catholics.

Then you DO have a 'problem' with your CHOSEN religion; MORMONism.



TRQ #7

Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

The RCC says MORMONism is a CULT.

I'll bet it is STILL on IT's website!

237 posted on 11/01/2012 5:17:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I don’t have a problem with Catholics.

Nephi seemed to have one!


                                                   THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
                                                                                            HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
                                                                                                       CHAPTER 13

Nephi sees in vision: the church of the devil set up among the Gentiles; the discovery and colonizing of America; the loss of many plain and precious parts of the Bible; the resultant state of gentile apostasy; the restoration of the gospel, the coming forth of latter-day scripture, and the building up of Zion. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! And I looked and beheld many nations and kingdoms.
2 And the angel said unto me: What beholdest thou? And I said: I behold many nations and kingdoms.
3 And he said unto me: These are the nations and kingdoms of the Gentiles.
4 And it came to pass that I saw among the nations of the Gentiles the formation of a great church.
5 And the angel said unto me: Behold the formation of a church which is most abominable above all other churches, which slayeth the saints of God, yea, and tortureth them and bindeth them down, and yoketh them with a yoke of iron, and bringeth them down into captivity.
6 And it came to pass that I beheld this great and abominable church; and I saw the devil that he was the founder of it.
7 And I also saw gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing; and I saw many harlots.
8 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the gold, and the silver, and the silks, and the scarlets, and the fine-twined linen, and the precious clothing, and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church.
9 And also for the praise of the world do they destroy the saints of God, and bring them down into captivity.

238 posted on 11/01/2012 5:21:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
According to the Catholic faith, the Pope speaks and acts infallibly.

According to the LDS faith, the Living Prophet® speaks and acts infallibly sometimes.

Just exactly WHEN this occurs canNOT be pinpointed accurately.

239 posted on 11/01/2012 5:23:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
In fact, if I weren’t a Mormon, I would have to be a Catholic due to the Priesthood.

Oh?

This is interesting!

Could you elaborate?

240 posted on 11/01/2012 5:28:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Sandy:


THIS is written to YOU! and to me, and to ALL believers:



                                 1 Peter 2:4-10
 
 

4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”

7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”

8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.


241 posted on 11/01/2012 5:29:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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