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Posted on 08/25/2012 8:30:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
When you’re ready to stop being insane, do let me know, ‘till then please feel free to discuss this insanity academically amongst yourselves.
Your tag line is the most fitting & appropriate I’ve ever seen
And you are quite sick. Get some help & get Christ.
I just wanted you to know that all pro-lifers are not like the ones attempting to label you to fit their template.
This whole discussion reminds me of something that happened not too long ago. I recall the state of Idaho, back in 1990, had a proposed law that passed in their legislature and would have banned abortion except for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. Most people in Idaho favored that law. National Right to Life, Focus on the Family, and many other pro-life groups were in strong support of this law as it would remove 98% of abortions in that state. The pro-life groups mentioned tried to encourage as many people as they could to call into the govenor’s office and encourage him to sign it into law.
It failed because the govenor, under tremendous pressure from all sides, vetoed the bill. But, that’s not all to the story. There were other “pro-life” groups who vigorously campagined against the law because it allowed for the exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother. Even though 98% of all abortions would have been stopped - it didn’t matter to these people.
They felt themselves “true to the cause” of the unborn. Unswerveing in their principles and saw themselves as special arbiters of the pro-life cause.
I believe that some of the blood of all those babies who could have been saved since 1990 within the state of Idaho will be on these peoples hands. Yes, the govenor made the decision, but had the voices in support of the law been louder, perhaps there would have been a different outcome. But, they worked against the proposed law and helped to bring about who knows how many innocent unborn babies deaths - all because they couldn’t get everything they wanted. And, they felt very self-righteous about it too.
Yes, I agree that the child conceived by rape should not bear the punishment the rapist deserves. I think, should abortion laws ever return to only in the cases of rape, incest, or life of the mother, that the argument NOT to abort even in those cases could be made and that many, many women would probably choose not to abort - but, to force them to do so under such circumstances is never going to be accepted by society at large.
So, I guess I just wanted to encourage you to keep on speaking truth.
Yes, it fits me, that’s why I put it there.
However, I am not sick, I do not need help and I have Christ.
You are not going to guilt trip me into forcing the victim of a forceable rape to bear the product of that rape.
That is a terrible choice for anyone to face and I, for one, refuse to make it worse by telling such a person what she must do.
Perhaps it’s you that is actually heartless.
>Those honorable rules served our country well for nearly 200 years. Then we shot ourselves in the foot in 1972.
Time changes civilization. We no longer choose our mates using brute force or a club to drag them to our cave dwelling. Nor do we kill or leave them if they can not provide offspring.
Changing the things we can and moving on from those we can’t takes more strength than to become a hermit in the political world.
Keep calling us names. Whatever.
But the logic can’t be refuted. If you can defend abortion, then you can defend rape.
in most states the father (ie rapist) has full rights to the child so adoption is not always possibe. Until that changes many women will not want to have the baby.
Same as if she had been asked prior and as she should have been.
I am not going to force her consent on her. That is for her to do or not do. It isn’t for the law, or politicians, or you or anyone else but her to do.
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Life must be so easy for you.
I am the one who was called Nazi, and your “logic” is insanity.
I have love & compassion for raped women.....and their children. I think that as a society we can do a lot better for them than convincing them that abortion is somehow a magic eraser that will take away the pain of their rape. Why don’t you do a little research & read the multitudes of testimonies of raped, pst-abortive women who comment that the abortion was the most painful part of the experience.
Murder is murder regardless of the circumstances surrounding one’s conception. You sem to disregard that fact.
I stand by my original assertion. If you’re in favor of ripping an unborn child to shreds, then you are sick.
The child who is conceived by rape or incest is an innocent life. Why do the pro abortion crowd argue that we should allow an innocent life to be taken? Odd how the same people who are anti death penalty because “taking life is wrong” are so quick to advocate the death of innocents
So if she hunts down and murders her rapist you are just fine with that. After all, that was HER decision. So female drug use and prostitution must be just fine because "that is her decision". And you want to call everyone around here "crazy"?
Mostly, yeah, works for me.
Thank you, I really appreciate your post.
It’s not like I want abortions to occur. It is killing no matter how one looks at it, it’s a tragedy.
However, there is just no way that I assume the right to tell a woman who was just raped and impreganted without her consent that she must no bear the child of that rape without her consent.
I would rather die myself than do that.
Certainly, I hope that she chooses to have the baby and either raise it or put it up for adoption. But not every woman will choose that, and I cannot say that I would choose that were I raped and impregnated.
I don’t know, I haven’t walked in those shoes, it’s hard for me to imagine that scenario.
But one thing that I know for certain is that her consent must be sought. I refuse, I absolutely refuse to be party in depriving her of that.
No I dont seem to disregard that fact. I have said that it is killing.
I am not in favor of ripping unborn children to shreds, I am in favor of seeking a rape victim’s consent that the rapist refused to seek.
The tunnel vision that is going on here is ASTOUNDING.
If she hunts down and murders her rapist, she would not be convicted of murder by me. Maybe by you, but not by me.
Some killings are justifiable.
What’s conservative about driving people away from being anti-abortion, as your heroes are doing?
Go back and read about Jesus and the woman taken in adultery.
Just as in the case of aborting a child to save the life of the mother, I consider abortion after rape to be an act of self defense. No, the child did nothing wrong to deserve the abortion, but the woman has done nothing wrong either. Some argue that the abortion is another wrong to add to the rape. Others may conclude that being forced to go through a pregnancy is another wrong forced onto the rape victim.
Giving the child up for adoption is another issue. The woman now has to go through life wondering about the welfare of the child, which can be torture. Others may say that she will never get over the abortion. Neither situation is one that anyone would freely choose. So, if the only choices left are horrible ones, in my mind the least we can do is to allow the party who has been hurt to make the choice and see if that may help them put some closure on the event.
I think some of the men posting on this thread need to ask themselves if they could raise the child fathered by the man who raped their wife.
As a husband and father myself as well as someone who understands that the baby did nothing wrong, I just don't think I would want that child anywhere around my family.
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