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To: sf4dubya
Conservatism grows or it dies.

How, pray tell, can conservatism grow when conservatives support liberals? Conservatism dies when its adherents abandon conservative principles. This ain't rocket science.

8 years to get behind one conservative candidate.

Ah. The politics of personality. Just what we don't need.

8 years to close the primaries.

Process. No reference to principles or policy. Hmmm... But, in any case, the Romney Republicans, who now own the formerly grand old party lock, stock, and barrel, aren't going to let you do that. Not in a million years.

These are the two major failures of the conservative movement.

If only process and personalities were the only problem.

Now it’s our turn and we will make this right.

Yeah, right. Somewhere over the rainbow, skies are blue. You do know Oz is fictional, right?

So if you want to hold on to your prejudices in the short term, do keep them to yourself while the rest of us work long term.

No. Because those who surrender principle now can't be trusted with the long term.

858 posted on 08/20/2012 9:42:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

How, pray tell, can conservatism grow when conservatives support liberals?
***It cannot. Like a tree having its roots in salt water, it never really grows until it puts its roots into fresh water conservatism.

Conservatism dies when its adherents abandon conservative principles.
***Conservatism has been under siege lately and suffers from the possibility of dying from a thousand cuts. Today’s cut was one of those.

Ah. The politics of personality. Just what we don’t need.
***That is all the CINOs have to offer.

No. Because those who surrender principle now can’t be trusted with the long term.
***It’s showing itself even in the short term. Even on this thread, this very poster you’re responding to has attempted to start redefining conservatism. Surrendering those principles is considered a good thing in their eyes. Each post should have its own vomit alert.


865 posted on 08/20/2012 9:49:59 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: EternalVigilance; sf4dubya
sf: Now it’s our turn and we will make this right.
EV: Yeah, right. Somewhere over the rainbow, skies are blue. You do know Oz is fictional, right?

sf: So if you want to hold on to your prejudices in the short term, do keep them to yourself while the rest of us work long term.

EV: No. Because those who surrender principle now can't be trusted with the long term.

EV, that's a 'no can do' attitude. You can't elect conservatives without LOTS OF PEOPLE electing them. And you're not going to elect LOTS OF CONSERVATIVES elected by alienating at least half the nation who aren't conservatives by acting sanctimonious. You have to gain people's respect and attention by acting respectful toward their thoughts and ideas, giving THEM attention. You have to act like you at least CARE about their future, too. Beating people over the head and telling them how much better your ideas are, or insinuating or saying how stupid and wrong their own are will get you no "fish." Jesus taught his disciples how to be fisher's of men, it wasn't with the nasty approach, I can tell you that much. We need to be fisher's of men, too. Christ is THE role model of how to do that.

I posted a bit above one way of winning liberals/fence sitters away from liberal ideologies to Constitutional ideologies is by focusing "this election, the next, and the ones forever after: electing Constitutional Conservatives to local office, and state and federal elections. Each of us has to be in earnest prayer that God will bring us into meaningful and respectful dialogue with our co-workers, acquaintances, family, friends, church members, teachers, for frank discussions first, about those things we can all agree as goals for our children and their futures, and approaches of how to get there. Meeting in a middle area, they will be more prone to listen to ideas different from their own. Maybe not that day, or the next time you speak, but maybe by the next election, something will sink in and they'll see a meaningful difference as to why the liberal way is inferior to the Constitutional way."

867 posted on 08/20/2012 9:52:45 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: EternalVigilance

There are only a few of us conservatives left who won’t fall in with the GOPe. As a result, we will never have another conservative president from the Republican Party.


875 posted on 08/20/2012 10:04:36 PM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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