Romney says Ryan won't oppose abortion in rape cases (Romney supports both rape & incest abortion)

JS Online ^ | Aug. 20, 2012 | James Rowen

[xzins]

Odious remarks by GOP Missouri Senate candidate Cong. Todd Akin about how few pregnancies result from "legitimate rape" have done more than outrage people across the country and doom Akin's bid to move up from the House.

It motivated the Romney campaign - - already trailing among women voters in recent polls - - to distance itself from Akin by assuring voters that Romney and Paul Ryan - - the "Romney-Ryan administration" - - should they win in November, would not oppose raped women's access to abortion.

"Governor Romney and Congressman (Paul) Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said.

You'd probably say that sounds reasonable and humane - - except it was just three days ago that PolitiFact devoted a lot of space to this issue and found that while Romney backed abortions in cases of incest and rape, Ryan did not.

And had been an abortion opponent throughout his entire political career - - backing an exception only when the life of the mother was at stake - - thus earning a perfect score from a leading anti-abortion organization on this basic tenet of conservative ideology and practice.

News coverage of Ryan’s first congressional race in 1998, as well as statements he made to the National Right to Life Committee, a leading anti-abortion group, show Ryan has taken a stricter anti-abortion view than Romney.

The only anti-abortion exception Ryan favors is situations where an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. The National Right to Life Committee concurs, based on information the group says it collected in 1998 and 2000 from Ryan as a candidate.

[Repeat Offender]

Maybe for some women the emotional turmoil of being reminded for 9 months of their rape would do serious damage to their mental health, especially if they already have serious mental health issues.

I'm sure she'll remember she was raped for 9 months afterward even if she didn't get pregnant from the attack. Maybe perhaps she'll have even more mental health damage coping with the fact she took something that happened to her and then used it as a reason to murder an innocent child in an attempt to "forget."

[Boogieman]

“And the tens of millions who have been murdered so that folks like you can sleep well thank you very much.”

Yeah, that doesn’t make any sense at all. Remember, I’m the one NOT advocating for murdering human beings, for whatever reason.

[itssme]

My God. Someone picked off the scab and the wound is once again festering. The Romney haters are up and at it again. And so we shall continue to try to open their eyes, and hope that they will see the light. Their God, who is also my God, wants them to do the right thing, to put aside their constant need to pick the scab that is Romney/Ryan, to put aside their constant need to pick, pick, pick, to understand what is at stake, and what they must do to secure our Constitution, our liberty, freedom, our FUTURE.

OK, patriots, continue to fight this fight and the haters who are blinded by a need to hate, to pick, who have personal vendettas against whomever, for whatever reasons. Let's keep our eyes on the prize in November. And pray.

[Rashputin]

Your principles, their lives. Makes perfect sense when your principles are more important to you than trying to slow the slaughter any way you can until it can be completely halted. But, so be it. If not bothering to try and slow the rate at which the murders take place because you can't stop it completely helps you sleep better why do you care if what anyone else says makes any sense to you? I personally don't care who sleeps well because they refuse to compromise in order to spare 99% of the infants now murdered think.

Folks who think that way are just like those who don't care about the millions upon millions murdered by contraception, it's all about them, not the murdered infants.

[Impy]

I simply see nothing wrong with what he said.

Doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what the ignorant swing voter thinks. We need to BEAT THE DEMOCRAT WITCH and take the Senate. This race was in the bag 2 days ago.

Deadline to replace him is tomorrow. There is no time to ruminate on it and do polling to see if he can still win. He needs to stop thinking of himself and quit before it's too late. The country comes before this 1 man.

[SoCalTransplant]

Ok so your first sentence was:
“I’m advocating that it shouldn’t be legal, period. So, in that situation, nobody is going to call the woman a murderer, because there wouldn’t be a murder, unless she went to one of those “back-alley” clinics the Dems love to remind us about.”

And your last sentence was:

“Not that her opinion doesn’t matter at all, just that her opinion doesn’t give her the right to murder another human being.”

So in reality, right now, if a girl gets raped, becomes pregnant, and has an abortion she is, in your opinion, a murderer, no?

I’m not going to go on with this because we simply hold a difference of opinion with regards to this small portion of the abortion issue. We probably agree on 95% of the issue or more, but I just couldn’t tell a woman pregnant as a result of rape that she had to have the baby, and you clearly could. Thats fine, I would never allow you to do it with my daughter, but if you could do that with yours then that is your perogative. And I’m certainly not blindly functioning on emotion...but I’m not a Vulcan either. I dont think that the details of life are immaterial at all...they are part of what makes life, life. The scenario we are discussing is rotten, its a bad situation, and I dont believe I hold the monopoly on what is the best solution in every such situation. But I dont believe you do either.

[xzins]

It is simple. It means you can’t kill it without due process.

[katiedidit1]

Todd Akin is a strong supporter of the right to bear arms; he voted for the Ryan Budget; he has a 96% approval rating by the American Conservative Union; he is pro life and voted against state tax money funding abortions and he voted against the l993 tax increase and education spending increase. LOOK at Claire and her plane? her tax controversy? her vote for Obamacare. Akin made a gaffe and corrected it..he was selected by the voters of MO to run for Senate. To hell with Scott Brown and the other rinos. Google Akins RECORD VS MCCASKILLS...the man is a good conservative and I am ashamed at the gop for jumping ship. Reminds me of how Bush treated Scooter Libby..he abandoned him.

[Boogieman]

“So in reality, right now, if a girl gets raped, becomes pregnant, and has an abortion she is, in your opinion, a murderer, no?”

Well, in my opinion, of course she is. I was just talking in the first sentence about a woman who was only considering an abortion, that’s why I say nobody would call the woman a murderer, since it hadn’t happened yet.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. For me, the principle at the heart of the issue can’t be compromised, no matter what the circumstance. The circumstances have to be immaterial, otherwise everyone and their mother will find a way to justify their own circumstances as being material as well. That’s one thing that humans are very good at: finding a rationalization to justify why the rules shouldn’t apply to them in particular.

[xzins]

I agree. They’re abandoning Akin over an unsatisfactory explanation of some real distinctions. After all, even the law sees a difference between violent rape and statuatory rape.

Do I think there’s a difference between “legitimate rape” and statuatory rape?

Anyone ever heard of the Duke LaCrosse Team?

[sitetest]

Dear xzins,

Yes, you couldn’t kill HIM or HER, if our interpretation were the accepted one.

But it’s not.

sitetest

[xzins]

It’s just common sense, sitetest, that a pro-life supporter would understand what we’re discussing. It’s a person, so you can’t kill it without due process.

(I’m of the opinion that referring to a child as an “it” comes to us out of the German language in which the articles der/die/das are masculine/feminine/neuther. The gender of a child is neuter, so the correct nominative is “Das Kind”.

So is Madchen, girl, Das Madchen, and it still baffles me. (there’s probably a keystroke html for an umlaut, but I don’t know it.)

[RKBA Democrat]

W”e need Romney/Ryan for a very specific set of jobs, related to economic freedom. Overturning Roe v Wade ain’t among them. Not now.”

It’s too controversial. It doesn’t play well in the media. We’ll get to it next time. The economy is too bad to consider it. We don’t want to be portrayed as reactionaries. The women’s vote is too important. The democrats will defeat us if we do it. We’re pro-life but these things take time. The next scotus appointment will take care of it. The democrats are worse on this than we are, surely you don’t support them. You’re not being realistic on what can be accomplished in Washington....

From the new made for TV drama: “The gop Explains 40 years of Roe v Wade”

[OldEarlGray]

"Romney, Obama teams Conservatives clash over tax returns"

 

“Romney is hiding Bain abortion profits in his tax returns,” says Tampa foe

08/16/2012

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Baldwin: “Disclose your tax returns and everything else about Stericycle.”

Bain investment “would make Herod blush”

TAMPA, FL (Thursday, August 16, 2012) – Republican spokesmen for a rising “DUMP ROMNEY” rebellion today charged that Mitt Romney is “hiding Bain abortion profits in his tax returns” from investments that “would make Herod blush.”    

http://www.equalprotectionforposterity.com/7/post/2012/08/romney-is-hiding-bain-abortion-profits-in-his-tax-returns-says-tampa-foe.html

[RKBA Democrat]

“Yes, I know, we’ve been hearing for forty years how it doesn’t matter if certain people are pro-abortion or not. That might help explain why nearly 4000 babies are being slaughtered each day.”

Of course it doesn’t matter. We’re talking an ELECTION after all. And willard can’t lose or, or, or...there might be a plague of boils.

Or something.

[sitetest]

Dear xzins,

That’s nice.

I don’t think most folks would go along with prohibiting abortion by this path, especially if unilaterally imposed by the Executive.

I think that even many pro-lifers would be very uncomfortable with this approach because it feels a lot like mirror image of Roe.

Personally, I think it would do major damage to the cause, and cause a major constitutional crisis if imposed by the Executive. I’m iffier on the outcome if imposed by the courts (as if that’s going to happen, lol). I think it might work if imposed legislative, which in my view would be entirely constitutional. Nonetheless, I’m not sure it would go over well.

Interestingly, Rep. Ryan co-sponsored legislation that traveled along these lines.

But in my opinion, it would be disastrous for the Executive to do this.

Thus, since Gov. Romney is running for president, I think his view can be fairly interpreted from that perspective.

sitetest

[Irish Eyes]

Go ahead and vote for Obama then if you like him better.

Obama doesn’t mind leaving live babies (failed abortions) in a clothes hamper until they die, go ahead vote for Obama.

Don’t talk trash in here about God and how he will punish you for voting for Romney while helping Obama get re-elected. That’s BS.

BRAVO !

[sitetest]

Babies in the neuter gender - Don’t care from where it comes. I don’t refer to babies as “it.” From my point of view, it cedes something to the enemy.

[bd476]

tallyhoe wrote: "this blogger is full of it! James Rowen's blog is part of our Purple Wisconsin project. Rowen is a political writer and environmental consultant who has had careers in journalism and public service."

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Agree with you, Tallyhoe. Below I have posted info on the leftist writer James Rowen, plus info about one of his old bosses, Milwaukee's leftist ex-Mayor John O. Norquist.

Xzins, the writer James Rowen's job history combined with one of his ex-boss' post mayoral activities, makes it appear likely that the writer James Rowen was the Rahm Emmanuel for his old boss, the leftist ex-Mayor of Milwaukee John Norquist.

The only people missing in the writer James Rowen's list of obvious contacts and influences is Weatherunderground "former" member Bill Ayers, Weatherunderground "former" leader Bernadine Dohrn and BHO himself but absence doesn't necessarily exclude their influence upon the former chief of staff and policy director to Norquist turned leftist writer, James Rowen.

Hint: look at the sections I have highlighted in bold and then note where Rowen's boss taught:

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From the article:

Purple Wisconsin

About James Rowen

James Rowen is a political writer and environmental consultant who has had careers in Wisconsin journalism and public service. His blog, which debuted in 2007, focuses on politics, water and other environmental issues.

Rowen served as administrative assistant to (DEMOCRAT) Madison Mayor Paul Soglin and chief of staff and policy director to (DEMOCRAT) Milwaukee Mayor John Norquist. He also worked as a beat and investigative reporter and assistant metro editor at the Milwaukee Journal and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

(Emphases added)

Purple Wisconsin blog writer and leftist James Rowen

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Sustainable Governance Conference Keynote Speaker John O. Norquist

John O. Norquist, President and CEO of the Congress for the New Urbanism and former mayor of Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Keynote Address - "Green is Gold"

John O. Norquist's work promoting New Urbanism as an alternative to sprawl and antidote to sprawl's social and environmental problems draws on his experience as big-city mayor and prominent participant in national discussions on urban design and school reform.

Mr. Norquist was the Mayor of Milwaukee from 1988-2004. Under his leadership, Milwaukee experienced a decline in poverty, saw a boom in new downtown housing, and became a leading center of education and welfare reform.

He oversaw a revision of the city's zoning code and reoriented development around walkable streets and public amenities such as the city's 3.1-mile Riverwalk. Named a Governing magazine Public Official of the Year during his tenure as Mayor, he also widespread recognition for championing the removal of a .8 mile stretch of elevated freeway, clearing the way for an anticipated $250 million in infill development in the heart of Milwaukee.

At CNU (Congress for the New Urbanism) he has joined local activists in numerous cities as a key champion of plans to replace freeways with boulevards. A leader in national discussions of urban design and educational issues, Mr. Norquist is the author of The Wealth of Cities, and has taught courses in urban policy and urban planning at the University of Chicago, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee School of Architecture and Urban Planning, and at Marquette University.

Mr. Norquist served in the Army Reserves from 1971 to 1977, earned his undergraduate and master's degrees from the University of Wisconsin. He represented Milwaukee's south and west sides in the Wisconsin Legislature. He chaired the National League of Cities Task Force on Federal Policy and Family Poverty and served on the Amtrak Reform Council. He is married to CNU (Congress for the New Urbanism) Board Member Susan Mudd. They have two children, Benjamin and Katherine. Mr. Norquist can be reached at jnorquist@cnu.org.

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James Rowen was chief of staff and policy director to Leftist Milwaukee Mayor John O. Norquist

[darrellmaurina]

205 posted on Mon Aug 20 2012 19:06:21 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Impy: “Doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what the ignorant swing voter thinks. We need to BEAT THE DEMOCRAT WITCH and take the Senate. This race was in the bag 2 days ago. Deadline to replace him is tomorrow. There is no time to ruminate on it and do polling to see if he can still win. He needs to stop thinking of himself and quit before it's too late. The country comes before this 1 man.”

Not going to happen.

I opened my email today and found this:

http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cfea041496ac9845de6412b16&id=36fdb89918&e=90fbe3d679

Click the link for more details, but this shows he's not quitting the race:

“This weekend I made a mistake. I used the wrong words in the wrong way. What I said was ill-conceived and it was wrong and for that I apologize. The people from Missouri who elected me know I’m not perfect. They don’t make perfect people. We all make mistakes. When you make a mistake you to tell people you’re sorry, you don’t try and hide it. I made a mistake and I’m sorry. I have just begun to fight and I’m in this race to the end! We must work together to replace Claire McCaskill in the Senate.”

Like it or not, Akin is the Republican nominee for Senate from Missouri this year. Only he can change that by quitting and he's said today that he's not quitting.

Now if we're going to ask for people to quit, my name on that “please quit” list starts with “R” and ends with “Y.” I think most Freepers will agree with me on that. But it's not going to happen either. The Republican primary voters made their choice, and if we don't like it, tough. Better luck next election.