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Social Security Administration Explains Plan to Buy 174,000 Hollow-Point Bullets
CNS News ^ | 8/16/2012 | Penny Starr

Posted on 08/17/2012 4:19:34 PM PDT by IbJensen

(CNSNews.com) – The Social Security Administration posted a blog on Thursday to explain why it was planning to purchase 174,000 hollow point bullets.

SSA posted a "Request for Quote for Ammunition" on the FedBizOps.gov website on Aug. 7. The request listed the commodity that SSA desired as ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition." The quantity listed was "174 TH."

The SSA’s Office of the Inspector General’s said it posted a new blog on the agency’s website, “Beyond the Numbers,” “as we strive to be a transparent and accountable government organization for all of our stakeholders.

“With those goals in mind, we thought it would be appropriate to address recent media reports regarding the organization’s purchase of ammunition for our special agents’ duty weapons,” the blog post states.

The blog states that the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.

“These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests,” the blog post states. “Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers.

“They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty,” the blog post states.

Concern expressed in some media reports about the type of ammunition ordered by the agency is unfounded, the blog states, explaining that the .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacked hollow point pistol ammunition is “standard issue for many law enforcement agencies” and is appropriate for the work agents perform.

“Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately,” the blog post states. “They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers.”

The blog also links to another post about a fight that broke out near an SSA office in Massachusetts that required action by law enforcement officials.

“SSA is processing more applications than ever, which means more traffic in SSA office,” the blog states. “Employee and visitor safety is the highest priority for OIG, which, together with the Federal Protective Services and local law enforcement, has jurisdiction over SSA workplaces.”

Prior to the blog being posted, CNSNews.com had asked the agency specific questions about its ammunition order. Although some of those questions were addressed by the information provided in the blog, the agency did not say why it needed 174,000 bullets and if that quantity was customary or had increased from previous orders.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammunition; bigbrother; donutwatch; evilobamaregime; gestapo; guns; leo; socialsecurity; ssa
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The government earlier this year bought up something 450 million rounds of 40 cal hollow point ammo and then this month they ordered another 750 million rounds, so you just have to wonder what are they up to. The hollow point cannot be used in combat that is a home defense round, they also bought enough 40 cal pistols to arm every TSA agent in the country and then some.
1 posted on 08/17/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I can understand a monthly requirement to visit the range but this is a bit much. Just a reminder that the conpiratorial Alex Jones from info wars has been talking about this for months. Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths. Expecting something?


2 posted on 08/17/2012 4:25:36 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: IbJensen

580 plus rounds EACH for their agents.

First question, what is the SSA doing with 200+ agents? Second question, how often do they need to qualify?
Third question, how often are they required to practice?


3 posted on 08/17/2012 4:26:23 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: IbJensen

Niiice - so these “domestic” agencies have collectively accumulated enough ammo to put at least 4 rounds into every single one of us in the US. Nothing to see here. Move on. All is well!!! Any analogy between Obama’s desire and fascism/marxism is TOTALLY bogus. C’mon man - why would you trust your lying eyes versus Team Obama?? Hope and change!!


4 posted on 08/17/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: IbJensen

Well, there’s gonna be a lot of pissed-off grandmas after that evil Romney and Ryan take away their Social Security!


5 posted on 08/17/2012 4:29:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ronnie raygun

My husband, a retired Army professional marksman, does not think that hollow point bullets are appropriate for range practice. They are intended to be kill shots.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 4:33:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: IbJensen



7 posted on 08/17/2012 4:35:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: taxcontrol

Fourth question: why do they need to practice with hollow-points?


8 posted on 08/17/2012 4:41:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ArmyTeach
And they are outlawed for use in combat by treaty:

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. [3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet

9 posted on 08/17/2012 4:43:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: IbJensen
It is time to really fear Government. We are so close to a total loss of our freedom and no way to overcome. My advice is for good law abiding Americans to stock up and announce ready to fight for the real America. The Second in our Constitution realized that some day will come.
10 posted on 08/17/2012 4:52:02 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Is this the well armed “civilian army” that obama promised us. Hollow points are made for killing only and not for practice. Does the obamamites fear an insurrection. OIF vet


11 posted on 08/17/2012 4:57:42 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Logical me

It’s going to be 100x worse, if that POS gets another 4yrs. He’s got nothing left to lose, and will dictate by EO, bypassing the Constitution and Congress. 93% of America has no frigging clue as to what’s coming, as long as their TVs work and toilets flush. God help us all...


12 posted on 08/17/2012 4:58:25 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: IbJensen
SSA? Other offices? They're afraid, like so many others. They're afraid that they'll be attacked. They're afraid that supplies of ammunition will run short and/or that prices will go higher. Panic and hysteria are attitude of the times in politics. Look at shrieking, paranoid political speech from the various groups of socialist government-income interests in the various political parties and subgroups fighting each other over the pile of cheapening debt.

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

  Hysteria \Hys*te"ri*a\, n. [NL.: cf. F. hyst['e]rie. See
     Hysteric.] (Med.)
     A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women,
     in which the emotional and reflex excitability is
     exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished,
     so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes
     the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into
     paroxism or fits.
     [1913 Webster]
  
     Note: The chief symptoms are convulsive, tossing movements of
           the limbs and head, uncontrollable crying and laughing,
           and a choking sensation as if a ball were lodged in the
           throat. The affection presents the most varied
           symptoms, often simulating those of the gravest
           diseases, but generally curable by mental treatment
           alone. Hysteric


The good news is that few healthier Americans (those not involved in the contemporary socialist politics of any party) bother to take the hysteria seriously. Truly private (not government-linked), truly conservative interests are only watching the weird political show from the outside. The societal consequences of pathological policies disseminated from oddballs in universities to the population are entertaining and sometimes funny to all who see justice around the corner of our near future (think Monty Python).


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American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (download links for whole document at bottom of page)

September 1998

University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 60
Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 107, Number 6, Part 1, pp. 1163-1198, December 1999

Abstract:
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13 posted on 08/17/2012 4:59:21 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: IbJensen

Ok, so fine, there is some minimal need for such but I find it interesting that so many departments with similar minimal needs have all decided to make large purchases weeks before the end of the fiscal year of the federal government. Just another coinky-dink of this administration, I’m sure.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 5:05:58 PM PDT by bgill
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks IbJensen.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 5:07:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: IbJensen
Hmmmmmm. The Social Security Administration. `Quality of Life' review panels. .40 caliber hollow-points ......... Oh, the huge manatee!
16 posted on 08/17/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: IbJensen

Maybe these agencies should be looking over their shoulders.

The sh!tstorm is around the corner. And they know it.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 5:24:17 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: IbJensen

If this is routine, then there must be records of similar purchases in previous years. If such is the case, then perhaps this *is* no big deal. However, in other articles I’ve read about this, reporters have asked about purchases of previous years and SSA has refused to give any accounting for that. This is troubling.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 5:42:16 PM PDT by pjd
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To: ArmyTeach
My husband, a retired Army professional marksman, does not think that hollow point bullets are appropriate for range practice. They are intended to be kill shots.

Exactly. Full jacketed bullets are used for proficiency training. JHP are used for kill shots.

QUESTION: Is it ridiculous to believe that a corrupt crony government will disarm the people at the behest of their super elite and mega rich cronies who own our government and have their own security?

If you were rich and could walk away with billions like those on Wall Street and as others have done, without ever paying the price of prosecution, would you prefer having armed peasants around, or would you prefer that they be disarmed?

Since prehistoric times, the weak have been kept weak by keeping them working and unarmed. Will it change now?

19 posted on 08/17/2012 5:52:10 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Titan Magroyne

It goes on. “Practice” with expensive hollow-point ammo is a waste of money. While our govenment are experts at wasting money, perhaps there’s more than they are letting on? It goes on.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 5:56:57 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw [Robert A. Heinlein])
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