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To: roamer_1
So, according to the jist of your post, the plan is to require Conservatives to discard every_single_principle they (and this site) adhere to in order to vote for Romney... Inevitably, that is where you must start. That is where you feel that 'consensus' is to be found?

Nice try, but not even close.. I didn't post this to enter into a pissing contest over who has the purest heart! We to stop the bleeding.. We need to WIN the Presidency FIRST, but we also need a Congress that adheres to the Tea Party principles..

That too is our job.. We are close on both counts if we don't allow ourselves to get distracted.. We are on the same team, and I am telling you something that we both know, Obama has to go, NOW, not in 4 more years to prove some point!

The only man standing in his way is a good man, I brilliant practitioner that I believe we need at this time.. He is the right man, as I have outlined in a post above, with the mental heft to get it done!

246 posted on 08/06/2012 6:33:06 PM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b
I didn't post this to enter into a pissing contest over who has the purest heart!

That is not my intention, although your 'purity' statement certainly can cause me to go that way.

We to stop the bleeding..

You will not 'stop the bleeding' with Romney. That is an impossibility... Like trying to stop a chest wound with a mortar round.

We need to WIN the Presidency FIRST, [...]

I disagree. Or should I say that even if Romney wins, we will not 'win the presidency'... So your idea of winning the presidency is not the same as mine. I will reiterate that the 'we' is Conservatives, *not* Republicans. If you think that supporting Romney and the big rhinestone 'R' is a 'we' thing, then you and I are on different planets altogether.

[...] but we also need a Congress that adheres to the Tea Party principles..

On this we can agree completely... Although it is my assertion that pimping for the Republican is sure to suppress turnout rather than encouraging it. I dare to say that supporting a 3rd party Conservative would do more for the down-ticket than you know... TEA parties need to stay true to their function if you want to see a 'Chick-Fil-A' happen in November.,. Pimping Romney with the TEA Parties will cause them to disintegrate.

[...] We are close on both counts if we don't allow ourselves to get distracted..

No, we are not close - anymore than 'we' were close with McCain... The degree that Conservative principles are being served is directly proportional to the win... and no one will try to sell the Republicans as serving any Conservative principles at all.

We are on the same team [...]

No, we are not... But I can see you from where I am upon occasion.

[...] and I am telling you something that we both know, Obama has to go, NOW, not in 4 more years to prove some point!

You misrepresent what is at stake. It isn't about 'proving some point'... It is about standing upon the principles that actually make us a 'we' - Without those principles, there is no 'we' at all. Willfully electing Romney means throwing every principle away - If they think they can win without those principles being served, why the hell would they serve them next time... or ever again? Are you willing to throw away the Christians and the Pro-Life plank in order to win? How about the civil libertarians and their principles of strict Constitutionalism? The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Paramount Sovereignty? State Sovereignty? How much will you give up to your fears? And once having given it all up, what is left to call Conservatism?

I readily admit that Obama has to go. but I would submit that Romney cannot win, and never could, any more than McCain could. Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth come November when all the hopes are dashed YET AGAIN... You see, the thing about that 'purity' bit is not about purity - It is about being attractive to the electorate:

Do you really think the Christians are going to vote for their enemy? For a guy who has been Pro-Choice through his entire career, and who is pro-gay marriage?

Do you really think the DefCons are going to vote for a non-military, non foreign policy gun grabber?

Do you really think the Constitutional conservatives will readily give up their passion for a big government RINO globalist?

Do you really think that fiscal conservatives believe the Keynesian bullcrap spouting from Romney's mouth?

It is a fallacy, FRiend. Just because these things are not important enough to you (y'all) to fight to preserve them doesn't mean they are not important to each of the factions that make up the Conservative Base. You can hype it any way you like and it isn't going to matter, because most of those folks won't even be paying attention until Sept/Oct, and they will all take one look at the record and turn up their noses, Just like what happened the last time.

But if we act now to lift up a Conservative... If someone is standing in the spotlight who DOES stand for these things, Folks will move heaven and earth to get out and vote. But that would have to start with the consensus that you talked about HERE, and too many here are appeasers or Republican more than Conservative... or driven to distraction by their fear.

I am under no illusions that such a thing will happen now, but I wish you would mark my words, so that next time you are ready to leave the Republican plantation and stand upon the solid ground of Conservatism... because it really won't happen until folks like you finally 'get it', and join us. I had hopes that McCain would be enough to get y'all fed up (and he was enough for many), but obviously, y'all are willing to quixotically chase your '!UP! the Middle' strategy yet another time.

258 posted on 08/06/2012 9:54:47 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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