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The entire political situation is sickening. The lack of intestinal fortitude on the part of the damned Repblicans is enough to make honest conservatives want to puke.

Mitch McConnell stands in front of the cameras and microphones to state that the 2,700 page death edict known as Obozocare is too big to bring down. I aave said before that firing every employee whose job it is to implement this garbage, tear out their phones, take away their cell phones, ipads and credit cards, sell the furnishings and declare this monstrosity dead before it finishes the job of killing the nation and its inhabitants.

1 posted on 07/09/2012 1:20:47 PM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I’d settle for a distinct second party.


2 posted on 07/09/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1265 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: IbJensen

I think Ann Coulter got it right (again) when she was talking about one of the underhanded things the democrats were doing. She said, “The Democrats are evil, but they’re not stupid. That’s us.”


3 posted on 07/09/2012 1:27:35 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: IbJensen

I’m more inclined to think the Democrats need to split into two parties. The other one could be called the Occupy Party.


4 posted on 07/09/2012 1:28:24 PM PDT by pallis
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To: IbJensen

The rate things are going, the GOP will be a third party.


5 posted on 07/09/2012 1:29:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: IbJensen

We cannot have one until a real majority is required for election.


7 posted on 07/09/2012 1:31:42 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: IbJensen

The First American Republic is dead. Died some time ago. It will take CWII to establish a Second American Republic.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 1:31:53 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: IbJensen

Agreed!


9 posted on 07/09/2012 1:32:21 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: IbJensen

The silent majority need only take over one of the parties and allow the country club rinos go away with cristine todd whitman into her third party.

I agree though that there is a serious lack of AMERICAN leadership in the republic party. We only have managers and manipulators, no leaders.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 1:35:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: IbJensen
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12 posted on 07/09/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: IbJensen

This episode PERFECTLY illustrates EVERYTHING that the people have come to loathe and detest about Congress.

- Important change affecting many people slipped-in quietly at the last minute and attached to an unrelated bill on a Friday heading into a holiday.

- Change has never been subject to a full debate or public comment period.

- Powerful interests with vested financial interests are involved in actually writing the bill as well as lobbying for it.

- Details contained within the bill itself are at a Monty Python level of absurd (customers who sit and roll their own smokes on a borrowed machine are MANUFACTURERS???)

- Bill it is attached to is loaded with so much pork it attracts votes from all sides of the aisle.

- Congressional weasel who pulled this off WILL NOT EVEN RETURN PHONE CALLS seeking comment (quoted in many news accounts).

- Small businessmen put out of business, some financially ruined, by what Congress has done.

If smokers don’t spend every last dime they can spare to defeat Max Baucus the next time his seat is up then they deserve whatever is headed their way next.


17 posted on 07/09/2012 1:51:46 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IbJensen
If you live in a solidly Blue state, you should vote for the Green Party candidate.

If the first third party to gain credence is a leftwing one, then that will siphon votes away from the Democrats.

If the Green Party gets big enough, we can then think about starting a bonafide conservative party to threaten the Republicans with similar ballot box competition if they refuse to abide by their platform.

18 posted on 07/09/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: IbJensen; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; MEG33; ...

When both parties run abortionist/homosexualist statists, we have NO choice at all. It’s like a communist state one party election! Soros must be very pleased. Damn the statist parties!!

When the Chief Justice of the United States formally throws out the constitutional limits on government, we no longer have a constitutional republic!!

And this guy is supposedly a constitutionalist conservative appointed by a Republican president.

When we have a godless abortionist/homosexualist STATIST sitting in the White House and a godless abortionist/homosexualist STATIST congress under Reid and Pelosi throwing out all the longstanding congressional rules and ramming blatantly unconstitutional STATIST programs through congress over the objections of we the people and then we have the Chief Justice of the United States stamp his approval on it, we, my friends are in seriously deep doo-doo.

Our constitutional republic has been effectively dissolved before our very eyes and effectively dissolved by our own supposedly conservative Republican party!!

And now our supposedly conservative Republican party chooses to run a blatantly abortionist/homosexualist STATIST candidate for president??

C’mon, folks, give me a break!! Romney is the STATIST idiot who rammed the STATIST RomneyCare program through in Massachusetts and that directly morphed into ObamaCare and then Chief Justice Roberts knifed us all in the back and single-handily brought down our constitutional Republic!!

All of our enemies and the communists over the years could not conquer America by war or threat of war but the enemy within brought us down. And we are now being asked to sanction with our sacred vote the very STATIST idiot who made the loss of our beloved Republic possible?

NOT ON MY WATCH!!

FUMR!! FUKR!! FUGOP-e!! FUBO!! (FU = freep you)

No way in hell will I ever cast my vote for a known STATIST idiot like Romney!!

Statism - the theory or practice of concentrating economic and political power in the state, resulting in a weak position for the individual or community with respect to the government

Long live the grass roots tea party rebellion!! Long live the Republic!! Long live Liberty!!


19 posted on 07/09/2012 1:54:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: IbJensen

Much if not most of the problem is due to our own internal differences among the States. Certant republicans from certant states come from political climates that are not as conservatives as most of us would like.

We all have our own self-interest which is fine, but we don’t all recognize this fact in our policy making. Ultimately there is only one policy that can satafie all of us, and that is the policy of leaving each other alone and letting us each address our own problems in the way best suited to them independently.

We cannot hope to agree, or compromise on many many issues, simply because what is needed in Minnesota is poisonous to Texas, and vice versa.

Washington politicians have it suck in their head that their job is to solve problems indiscriminately. But that is not their job at all, indeed it is their attempt to do that job that has caused or exacerbated most of our existing problems.

The Job of Washington Politicians is to address issues of a Federal nature as listed in the Federal Constitution. Sadly Washington has been soo busy trying to butt its head into every domestic matter that they have largely negligent them federal responsibly.

Our trade relations are abusive, our foreign policy is inept and to be frank we are getting screwed over by foreigners all over the world, because congress is too distracted to act!

If we are going to fix this we are going to have to rebuild our old defences against Federal encorchment, including the political moxy at the state level to make a consistant and determaned stand against Federal encorchment.

We are going to have to play both the left and the right on this issue. Washington must be pushed back into its box whether it like it or not, and that will unforutnatly take us a great many years, perhaps a decade or more from where we are at.

This effort however is already well underway as it has been sense 2009. Current & recent State efforts are proof of that! The battle may look grim, but our strategy to win this war is already showing great promus and significant fruit. That is perhaps the most encouraging sign of these times. :)


27 posted on 07/09/2012 2:43:31 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: IbJensen

Trying to mold he GOP has not worked well.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 2:44:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: IbJensen

I would never want another 3-person election.

Perot gave us Clinton. I’m OK with multiple parties running but the TWO best should go head to head.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 2:59:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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We’re not ready for a third party and both this site and I will continue advocating for conservative Republicans...

...The GOP better get back to its pro-liberty roots quickly.

Yeah, Karl Rove, Graham, Snowe, mitt, McCain and the rest are all shaking in their boots.

"We'll vote for dog poo as long as it has an (R) after it, but oh, you just wait, one of these days I'm going to write a strongly worded letter!

36 posted on 07/09/2012 3:15:46 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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Political realignments in the U.S. two-party system tend to be sudden things once triggered - pretty much done over one or two election cycles. However, the conditions making the realignment possible can persist for some time before the trigger occurs.

The Democrats, for all their Marxism, govt in the name of fairness instead of justice, etc. stand for something recognizable (albeit tyrannical). The Republicans stand for...nothing. Plurality in place of principle isn't a governing philosophy, its a recipe for extinction.

We needn't fear the realignment that's coming because it's a natural and healthy process. What form it will take and the precise timing remain a mystery - most likely only waiting for the right leader and the right event.

38 posted on 07/09/2012 3:25:40 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: IbJensen
Our self created problems aren't bad enough yet. Voters still latch on to the Democratic and Republican tribe. If the people really cared they would not align themselves with those two failed enterprises.

Actually, they are very efficient at growing Gov't and taking from the citizen.

The chorus of this is the most important election will show up and sing the hymn of stopping one faction or the other. Thus repeating the failed cycle of our current political process. Unfortunately for the citizens of our States, we don't have individuals that rise up to face the trials we currently endure.

Special interest, globalism, fear of the Constitution, and the death of nationalism has been the republic's seppuku.

39 posted on 07/09/2012 3:26:54 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: IbJensen

Crony Capitalism is a bi-partisan provider of election campaign support, and finds bi-partisan takers for that support


43 posted on 07/09/2012 4:42:55 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: IbJensen

Maybe we should just repeal and replace the two existing ones.


44 posted on 07/09/2012 5:43:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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