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To: Seizethecarp; melancholy; null and void; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Brown Deer
“I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him. We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”

The writer, Lois Dougan, sounds like she is referring to an entering class of students at the East-West Center who “converged on Honolulu a month after he (Barry) was born there” and who knew BHO Sr but had zero knowledge of any baby or even any marriage to SADO or the alternate “Anne/Anna”.

One month after he was born would be about Sept. 4, 1961 when numerous corroborating documents and witness statements confirm that Stanley Ann and baby Barry were both already in Seattle (unless all faked including FOIA docs, U of HI and U of WA transcripts and confirmations, friends of SADO, Polk).

I looked at the American Thinker article by Cashill but can't tell if he has some alternate method for dating the first meeting of the East West Center people which he places in September 1961. But somewhere I think I recall that the fall of 61 was in fact when the East West Center was organized--that having earlier been responsive to the fact that the fairy tale meeting in the Russian class couldn't have happened in the fall of 1960.

If so, then you have to say that here these people are sitting around daily seeing Senior and talking to him regularly but not ever hearing that he has a wife and one month old son--even if the wife and son have just jumped ship on him and gone to Seattle.

And more difficult to believe that he has this wife who has just borne him a son a month earlier, who, based on the people with first hand knowledge like Richard Anderson, left him, Senior, with the kid for whom he is now responsible and taking care of, nonetheless never having said anything about going home to feed the son every three hours.

You can believe anything if you need to. But . . . .

In my view of what happened, the real son of Senior was born sometime earlier--maybe January of 60; the mother, Anna Toutonghi Obama, left him probably sometime in the fall of 1960 and went to Seattle to her Toutonghi relatives at their bording house; leaving the son at age around one and a half, in the care of FMD; by the time of the conversations with Senior this lady refers to, the son is now two and a half and still living with FMD; no mother in sight.

As to the report tieing zero as the guy from Equatorial Guinea with the 8-1-61 or 1-8-61 birth date, maybe the form was completed by someone knowing that zero was born in early August but not knowing the exact date; and contrary to Fred's view filled in blank in the month-day-year order.

I have difficult with Fred's view of the date on that form because I don't think either zero or BHO 2 was born in January of 1961.

Bottom line though is that we don't yet know enough to say when or where with confidence we can prove it if called on to do so.

286 posted on 07/10/2012 1:11:47 PM PDT by David
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To: David

So actual son of the Kenyan was cared for by FMD and I assume his wife for a few years? Would that have been until the Kenyan 0bama married Ruth and went back to Kenya, taking his son with him?


289 posted on 07/10/2012 1:30:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: David

East West Center was proposed by LBJ . Mutual Security Act of 1959 called on the State Department to investigate.

Eisenhower signed it into existence in 1960...under the Mutual Security Act.

You might think about that for a minute.

The Mutual Security Act. It got rid of the entity that had managed The Marshall Plan.

Of course, Dean Acheson was involved.

One GOP person said military aid to those on our side was a good idea. Someone else said this was suppose to prevent war not fight a war. A Democrat.

The Act blocked giving assistance to Cuba.

It is possible that there were classes under East-West but not in the buildings yet because those came later.

The State Department had a legislative mandate to oversee East West.

East-West had problems

http://archive.gao.gov/f1002a/105060.pdf

But really , that is to be expected when it is a CIA training ground

Lucien Conein recruited Frank Scotten into the CIA.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bed0gQKn-ucC&pg=PA418&lpg=PA418&dq=Lucien+Conein+recruited+scotton&source=bl&ots=kwV0er1lxm&sig=WTU6TeiRDY67jBooM1EKptwAsKc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Jv8T—UMciyqQG0wuWLCQ&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBA

Scotten was involved with Operation Phoenix. He attended East West. Scotten admitted that East-West was a training ground for creating agent nets.

Eventual CIA director Colby was in charge of Indonesia and put the same type of Operation into effect.

By the way, the CIA had a defector program.It was put under USAID.

As an interesting sidenotee- Daniel Ellsberg (of Pentagon Papers fame) worked with Scotton’s teams.


292 posted on 07/10/2012 2:31:43 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: David

I think your questions re the Search result has to do with the method. A PI input the name and the State. It’s the same method I might use in Australia if I was ‘skip-tracing’ - looking for a debtor, for example.

The organization providing the service keeps certain records, from numerous sources, and when a name and region is entered, up pops what the system has collected on any individual who matches the input by the searcher.

As I tried to explain, it’s not always accurate, the results rely on the INPUT - and what that Search showed was simply that a person with THAT name has a certain birthdate, has a certain address, is married to a certain person, comes from a certain country and is of a certain ethnicity etc...AND OF COURSE THE OBVIOUS - a mortgage.

NOW THINK OF THE QUERY INPUT by the PI. Nothing more than a name and STATE.

And the result?

It’s obviously a combination of the data the system has collected on TWO PEOPLE. But why would the data of TWO people become blended on the the result of the input enquiry?

The searcher’s ONLY INPUT was the name and the State of the last known residence. RIGHT?

SO SOMETHING CAUSED THE AMALGAMATION. AND THAT COULD ONLY BE BECAUSE EITHER THE NAME OR THE BIRTHDATE WERE THE SAME.

But notice, David...the birthdate wasn’t part of the searchers input. That date came as the result of the Search. So, you have to ask, who was born on that date? If that date belongs to the person from Equatorial Guinea, then it was probably he who was born in January 1961.

And his name is what caused the amalgamation. And that would only happen if the man from Equatorial Guinea had the name of the Search Query. I’m sure you will be able to set this out better than I could, but after a number of years of using a similar service, it’s just plain elementary to me.

I would look at that result and conclude that the person I was looking for came from Equatorial Guinea, married Michelle and bought a house in IL. And his birthdate was probably January 8, 1961...because that would be the date on his passport at entry.

It would take me a while to realize there was a glitch - but eventually it would dawn...what you see relates to two people...who both had a record in the same name.


297 posted on 07/10/2012 3:50:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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