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To: SvenMagnussen; Plummz
The Soetoro adoption was finalized after U.S. Immigration officials inquired as to the legal status of Obama’s parentage.

When do you think this happened exactly?

Are you precluding the possibility the adoption was done through Indonesian courts rather than US courts?


The Soetoro adoption was finalized in Hawaii. A Hawaii Court ordered the Original Long Form BC sealed and archived. A new COLB was created with the name Barry Soetoro. When the Soetoro adoption was annulled in late 1971, early 1972, the Soetoro COLB was sealed and archived. The Barack Hussein Obama II COLB was ordered by the Court in Hawaii to be created and "Filed" with HDoH.

I would like for Sheriff Arpaio to explain just how he plans to file criminal charges against someone for forgery when the document in question was sealed and archived in the mid-60's. A Court Ordered sealed document is legally invalid and can never be used for any reason in any Court as evidence.
108 posted on 07/02/2012 2:16:30 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: SvenMagnussen; All

“A Court Ordered sealed document is legally invalid and can never be used for any reason in any Court as evidence.”

Respectfully, I do not believe that is a correct statement. It is just very difficult to obtain a “sealed record.” Were there a legally “compeling” reason to unseal a record for use in court, it can be done. The “sealing” of birth records in adoption are to protect identities of “losing” parent, etc. This is not an issue here. IF the original long form BC were to show damning evidence against Mr. Obama in regards to actually place of birth, they could be unsealed and used. The hard part is getting a judge to order it...and getter around any state laws that may prevent it.
IF sealing it was so “permanent”, then it wouldn’t be “sealed” it would be destroyed...why else keep it?


112 posted on 07/02/2012 3:43:37 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SvenMagnussen
When the Soetoro adoption was annulled in late 1971, early 1972

Hawaii court documents from ten years later indicate Barry was still considered Soetoro's son by the courts in Hawaii. That would make your statement here false. You should provide a direct cite for this claim in particular, unless you wish to retract it. Otherwise you will be understood to be a liar spreading disinformation.

I would like for Sheriff Arpaio to explain just how he plans to file criminal charges against someone for forgery when the document in question was sealed and archived in the mid-60's.

Probably because he thinks someone forged a document -- i.e., the document released by the white House. A forged document is a forged document, regardless of whether other documents have been sealed.

114 posted on 07/02/2012 7:50:18 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: SvenMagnussen

The scenario you present seems to fit the now known data points of history. These were not so well known in 2008.

If correct, the actual ‘birth certificate’ and associated records have gone through the legal meat grinder of sealing, legally altering, etc.

But this does not excuse presenting electronic images as something they are not. The images presented are obvious frauds - with or without access to the actual, authentic records.

It is not possible to declare these electronic images as ‘authentic’ as most government documents of this nature require the actual 3D, real world document to validate them. But it is possible to determine them as frauds - even without the originals. And these ARE frauds. Of that there is no doubt. The original COLB is a fraud but it at least was a better forgery than the later LFBC. But the high definition Fact Check photos gave it away. The LFBC is so bad it as if it is an intentional declaration of an ability to present anything and get away with it.


121 posted on 07/03/2012 3:43:02 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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