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1 posted on 06/30/2012 11:32:13 AM PDT by ColdOne
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Then there are 7 “penalties” hitting the middle class.

http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-increases-a6694

Can you say “read my lips” Obama?


23 posted on 06/30/2012 11:49:21 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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QUACK, QUACK, it’s a duck


24 posted on 06/30/2012 11:49:46 AM PDT by annieokie
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Nice try with that, Carney. Your boss passed the largest tax increase in history. The SC said so.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 11:50:50 AM PDT by plain talk
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We have 24 days to ask for a re-do of the decision. SC says Tax, Exec says penalty, go back and re-argue the case. Only problem is, if no one has paid the tax, no one has been harmed, yet, so we may not have standing.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 11:51:31 AM PDT by DBrow
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Carney is right. It’s not written as a tax.

It says to Americans, your government hereby commands you to purchase insurance. The penalty for not abiding by this law is a monetary fine.

There are lots of laws written like this. Laws about obeying posted speed limits, for example.

Chief Justice Roberts was wrong. He should have joined the four conservative justices and struck down the law as beyond the power of the federal government to enact under the Commerce Clause.


28 posted on 06/30/2012 11:51:31 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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Rather like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.

When you need to slip the ObamaCare mandate by the voters it's a penalty.

When you need to Constitutionally justify it it's called a tax.

Dancing around reality, but any way you look at it the fix is in on this fraud.

30 posted on 06/30/2012 11:51:54 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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So if you don't buy it, and you can afford it, it is an irresponsible thing to do to ask the rest of America's taxpayers to pay for your care when you go to the emergency room

I can agree with some of that, However, the most irresponsible thing is for the incompetent, corrupt, mismanaging SOBs of the federal government to take over the entire health system of the country which protects the most valuable thing anyone can possess.

If the federal government has control of our health, we become virtual slaves.

31 posted on 06/30/2012 11:52:37 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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I’m pretty sure that if the SCOTUS had found CommieCare to be unconstitutional, the Obama regime and their commie ‘RATS would have just told the court to Fluke off. America was going to lose this battle no matter how the SCOTUS decided. JMO.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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“it is an irresponsible thing to do to ask the rest of America’s taxpayers to pay for your care when you go to the emergency room.”

I agree with him just here. The costs of uninsured people going to the ER or elsewhere should NOT have been picked up by the taxpayer, unless the person expires with no estate.

Otherwise, they should be billed and all necessary collection efforts made, including liens and wage garnishment, until the bill is paid.

It is not fair for people to waive insurance and then ask me to pay their bills. If they want to take a risk, it should be THEIR risk, not mine.

They can utilize their assets, get help from family, seek help from charity, whatever.


35 posted on 06/30/2012 11:59:33 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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Better be careful, Jay. The SCOTUS wrote it down in black and white.

If it is a penalty, its unconstitutional. If its a tax, it’s not.

You’re going to talk your Boss into a stroke.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 12:00:09 PM PDT by plangent
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These assholes are just incapable of sitting back and living with whatever is Constitutionally forced on them by another branch of government.

They have no respect for the law. No respect for the nation and no respect for its citizens.

Democrats are walking-upright pigs.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 12:02:36 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Future generations will curse what we've done to them.)
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Why is in Obamacars to hire 16000 new people at the IRS if nobody knew it was a tax.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 12:03:53 PM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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It's a penalty, it's a plan, an insurance fee, it's a toll, it's a tax, it's a levy, an assessment, an obligation, a fine, it's a tariff, a commission, an expense, an imposition..

It's enough to make ya blap in their grey poupon jar.

42 posted on 06/30/2012 12:04:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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My friend has his own electrical contracting firm and he puts $300 every month into a special account for his health care. It has always covered his health care.

Now the government will take his money for those that don't provide for themselves.

He thinks Carney and Obama can go to hell.

43 posted on 06/30/2012 12:07:10 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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By the same tortured reasoning in the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare one could easily deem a shovel to be a chair.


44 posted on 06/30/2012 12:12:23 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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"Carney: It's a Penalty, Not a Tax"

Too bad it's the wrong Carney. Art Carney would have been a smarter, more honest and wittier press secretary .

Ed Norton: "If manhole covers were pizzas, the sewers would be Paradise."

Leni

45 posted on 06/30/2012 12:15:43 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Chief Justice Judas- 30 pieces of silver of my tax money for your betrayal?)
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So whatever else it is, it’s the law now. So after the moaning in over maybe the GOP could provide legislation for Romney’s revisions and start moving the ball.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 12:16:14 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgivness is without Christianity)
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A tax “is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority” and is “any contribution imposed by government [...] whether under the name of toll, tribute, tallage, gabel, impost, duty, custom, excise, subsidy, aid, supply, or other name...Bucks law dictionary.
47 posted on 06/30/2012 12:18:24 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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Then it’s unconstitutional. We need a rehearing.


51 posted on 06/30/2012 12:31:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Geesh, the resolution calls it a living document..

S.RES.376 — Whereas the American Revolution secured the independence of the United States of America and made possible the vibrant system of self-government of the United States; (Introduced in Senate - IS)

SRES 376 IS

112th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. RES. 376

Commemorating the 225th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution of the United States and recognizing the contributions of the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution and the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 15, 2012

Mr. WICKER submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


RESOLUTION

Commemorating the 225th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution of the United States and recognizing the contributions of the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution and the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution.

Whereas the American Revolution secured the independence of the United States of America and made possible the vibrant system of self-government of the United States;

Whereas the supporters of the American Revolution, through their vision and determination, enhanced the lives of countless individuals and made possible the system of equal justice, limited government, and the rule of law that exists in the United States;

Whereas the people who fought in the American Revolution made great sacrifices for their fledgling country;

Whereas the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 225 years ago, and the 39 delegates who signed the Constitution of the United States at the Constitutional Convention, irrevocably changed the course of history;

Whereas the Constitution of the United States, a revered and living document—

(1) provides important rights to every citizen of the United States;

(2) secures `the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity’; and

(3) sets the standard of democracy for the world;

Whereas the delegates to the Constitutional Convention in 1787 established the imperative precedent of compromise;

Whereas the Constitution and the subsequent 27 amendments to the Constitution outline the freedoms and the principles of representative government that are as strong today as they were on that momentous occasion in 1787;

Whereas September 17, 2012, marks the 225th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution of the United States, which is the supreme law of the land and the document by which the people of the United States govern their great country;

Whereas, to venerate the immeasurable importance of the Constitution and the day on which the Constitution was signed, it is essential to continually educate people about, and celebrate, the principles and legacy of the Founding Fathers; and

Whereas members of organizations such as the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution and the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution play an important role in promoting patriotism, preserving the history of the United States, and educating the public about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Senate—
(1) commemorates the 225th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution of the United States on September 17, 2012, and remembers the sacrifices made by the people who made the signing possible; and
(2) applauds the continuing contributions made by the members, volunteers, and staff of historical, educational, and patriotic societies of the United States, such as the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution and the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution, in promoting patriotism and the values embodied in the Constitution of the United States.

54 posted on 06/30/2012 12:39:31 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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