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I Am Literally Sick Over This Obamacare Travesty
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 06/29/2012 12:04:52 PM PDT by Kaslin

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RUSH: Okay, folks. I now know what happened yesterday. I've had time to dig into this. Time that I did not have prior to yesterday's program and did not have during the program. And I can't tell you how sick I am. I am literally sick over what happened yesterday. I don't know how else to describe it. Literally sick.

And now, from sunny South Florida, it's open line Friday!

Open line Friday. That's the day of the week where you get to choose what it is we talk about when we go to the phones. Monday through Thursday, you have to talk about things I care about, but that's not the case on Friday. So if there's something you think hasn't been said, a question or comment that you'd like to have me answer to, this is your day. Telephone number 1-800-282-2822. Rushnet@LIB.com.

A giant total fraud was perpetrated on this country yesterday. The Supreme Court as an institution is forever tarnished. There are now no limits anywhere on the size, scope, the growth, of government. We were the victims of a purposeful, intentional fraud yesterday. There is no way, were anybody in Washington concerned about the Constitution, there is no way Obamacare gets anywhere close to being law in this country. There is no way it even approaches constitutionality. And the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court knew that. He felt it was his duty, however, to save the legislation.

I don't even care about motivation. I don't care if it's because he wants the New York Times and Washington Post in love with him. I don't care if he wants to be the next John Marshall. I don't care. All I know is that we were defrauded in front of our eyes, wide open. We were taunted, defrauded, mocked, laughed at. I guess 5-4 court decisions are perfectly fine now. Oh yeah, hey, we'll take whatever we can get, we'll take it however we can get it. Even if they have to invent law, even if they have to rewrite a statute that was so poorly written, it wouldn't have gotten past a first grader who understood the Constitution.

Folks, having now learned what happened, and by the way, I can't take much more reading the faint praise for Justice Roberts. There are a lot of conservatives who are trying to find some comfort in all of this by pointing out that justice Roberts ruled that the Commerce Clause isn't a catchall that justifies anything Congress wants to do. "Hey, Rush, we got to look at what we won here." I understand that theory. You do want to try to take the best of things that you can. But this is theft! Theft of liberty and freedom right in front of our eyes. Okay. So the Commerce Clause has been limited, so? Now we get to pay a tax for something we don't do. But it's worse than that. It really is akin to going into a 7-Eleven, and saying to the clerk, "No, I really don't want to buy any gum."

"Well, okay, tax on that is $2.35."

That's what's happened here. I see all these people running around now thinking they've got free health care, and for the next year-and-a-half that's what it's gonna look like. Michelle Obama, "Guess what, contraception is now free." She's got a list of all the things that are free. AP has a list of all the things that are free for everybody. What happened here basically is that Justice Roberts stretched the limits to avoid being accused of activism. He wanted to avoid being accused of activism. Activism, in this case, would have been finding the law as it is unconstitutional. So he succumbed to fear that doing that, upholding the Constitution, would have resulted in him being accused of activism. So what he did, he stretched the limits to avoid being accused of activism, and in the process, he became more activist than any justice in recent memory.

He actually wrote this. It makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income. That's all it is here. He's got this law, Congress wants this law, the president wants this law, it's entirely unconstitutional. And they all knew this. Other than the four liberals, they all knew the whole thing was unconstitutional and Justice Roberts decided to rewrite it. He rewrote the legislation in a way that Congress never intended it. It would be like a judge making up for an incompetent lawyer in court and finding somebody who's guilty totally innocent just because the judge wanted to appear magnanimous. Or vice versa. It makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income.

Well, there's a big difference. You don't have to buy gasoline. And for 48% of the country, you don't have to earn an income. But we are all going to have to pay a tax for not doing something. And that starts a limitless universe of activity or lack of activity that can be taxed. There's a doctrine of law that says you don't reach constitutional issues if there is an alternative basis to decide the case. Do you recall we talked yesterday toward the end of the program, and I was admittedly confused because I hadn't had time to read the decision, nor read any analysis of it. Things were happening lickity split here, rat-tat-tat. But something yesterday that had me constantly confused was Justice Ginsburg's dissent. She's in the majority, what was she dissenting against?

Then after the program, I go home and I'm starting to do show prep for today's show, and I find out that a bunch of liberals are ticked off at Roberts, because of what he did with the Commerce Clause. So now I'm really confused. They won and they're complaining about Roberts and Ginsburg wrote a dissent. What was she dissenting from? So I looked into it. They're ticked off at Roberts, essentially she criticizes Roberts for violating the principle that you don't reach constitutional issues if there's an alternative way to decide the case. So Roberts contended that the mandate was unconstitutional, but it could be upheld as a tax. And Ginsburg said, well, if you're going to do that, there's no need to even talk about the mandate and the ruling. If you're going to say that the mandate could be upheld as a tax, then you don't have to even get to the mandate, constitutionally, you don't have to talk about it. You don't have to rule it unconstitutional.

The four libs wanted this case on the mandate, not the tax increase. They wanted the Commerce Clause to be stretched to include unlimited government power. And they were ticked off at Roberts for limiting that. They say if you're going to find this as a tax case, leave it at that. So when I found that out, that really aroused my curiosity, because they thought Roberts then started answering an unnecessary question. And that, according to Ginsburg and the left, makes Roberts an activist judge. You know, my head is swimming, because all of this is gobbledy gook. All of this is total BS, folks. And yes, I'm going to explain this as the program unfolds, I'm just setting the table here.

Roberts did not say this in his opinion, but he knows it. Congress and the president insisted up and down this was not a tax. That the only power that they were relying on here was the Commerce Clause power. That's how the law was presented. That's how it was enacted. That's how it was intended. Obama ran around telling everybody there were no taxes in this, it was not a tax increase. In fact, people's taxes are gonna get cut. The legal controversy was the Commerce Clause. And Justice Roberts thus had to address it, but is an utter travesty. It is an utter travesty that a member of the court, I don't care if it's a chief or whoever decides, that it's up to him to save an unconstitutional piece of legislation under the guise of not being an activist judge.

The Supreme Court wrote legislation, they rewrote this legislation to save it. In the real world, Realville, what used to be, what everybody thought they could count on, what everybody thought and hoped one more time they could depend on, even though we know we really can't, we learned it in Kelo, we learned it in McCain Feingold, we've learned it a lot. We can't count on the Supreme Court to uphold the Constitution, and that's why I'm sick. If we can't count on the Constitution being upheld in the Supreme Court, and furthermore, if the Supreme Court is going to take over the duties of the legislative branch and write legislation in order to save incompetent, unconstitutional, faulty work, then we've got pure fraud right before our very eyes.

Byron York went and looked at the first day of oral argument. When you hear this, you are going to be angrier than you even are right now. You're going to relive the first day of oral arguments where they talked about this as a tax. And the court allowed the government to argue both ways, that it was a tax one day, and they allowed the government to argue the next day that it wasn't a tax. First two days of oral arguments are where you find the answer to all the inexplicable questions here.

RUSH: Byron York wrote his piece at the DC Examiner yesterday: "No one knew it at the time, but the key moment in the Supreme Court Obamacare case came on March 26, the first day of oral arguments, when few people were paying close attention. Before getting to the heart of the case, the justices first wanted to deal with what seemed to be a side issue: Was the penalty imposed by the individual mandate in Obamacare a tax?"

The first question the justices had for the lawyers: Is this a tax?

"If it was, the case would run afoul of a 19th century-law known as the Anti-Injunction Act, which said a tax cannot be challenged in court until someone has actually been forced to pay it." Well, the Obamacare taxes don't implement until 2014. So on the first day of oral arguments, if Obamacare is a tax, the court would have to throw it out because nobody had paid the tax yet. So the first day of oral arguments, the justices want to know, they asked the government, is this a tax? The government said no. Because everybody wanted the case tried, everybody wanted it adjudicated and they wanted it adjudicated now.

"Since the Obamacare mandate wouldn't go into effect until 2014, that would mean there could be no court case until then." So on the first day of oral arguments, the government said no, it's not a tax. Well, we could stop right there if we wanted to. We could stop after the first 30 minutes of oral argument, back on March 26th, skip everything that happened between then and yesterday, and then go to Justice Roberts' ruling, where he found it to be a tax.

That, of course, is not what happened. They kept arguing. "No one had challenged Obamacare on that basis; the challengers wanted the case to go forward now. The White House, having argued strenuously during the Obamacare debate that the penalty wasn't a tax, wanted to go ahead as well. So the court, on its own, tapped a Washington attorney to make the argument that the penalty was a tax," just to cover their bases. The government wouldn't say it was a tax. The anti-Obama lawyers would not say it was a tax. So the Supreme Court went out and they brought in, they hired their own lawyer to argue that it was a tax. The court on its own tapped a Washington attorney to make the argument the penalty was a tax, and, therefore, the case should not go ahead.

"'The Anti-Injunction Act imposes a "pay first, litigate later" rule that is central to federal tax assessment and collection,' said the lawyer, Robert A. Long, on that first day of oral arguments. 'The Act applies to essentially every tax penalty in the Internal Revenue Code. There is no reason to think that Congress made a special exception for the penalty imposed by [Obamacare].'" So the lawyer hired by the court affirmed it's not a tax. Nobody in the regime thought it was a tax. Nobody in Congress thought it was a tax. And nobody in Congress made a special exception for the penalty imposed by Obamacare as a tax. It was all in the Commerce Clause.

"After Long made his case, it fell to the administration's lawyer, Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, to argue that no, the mandate was not a tax, and therefore the case was not subject to the Anti-Injunction Act." And that's what happened on the first day. The government hired a lawyer to make the case it was a tax; and Verrilli, the Obama lawyer, made the case that it wasn't. This is just so the justices could have arguments on the table that they could then decide.

"At the same time, everyone knew that the next day, when Verrilli planned to argue that the mandate was justified under the Constitution's Commerce Clause, he had as a backup the argument that it was also justified by Congress' power to levy taxes -- in other words, that it was a tax. Justice Samuel Alito saw the conflict right away. 'General Verrilli, today you are arguing that the penalty is not a tax,' Alito said. 'Tomorrow you are going to be back, and you will be arguing that the penalty is a tax. Has the court ever held that something that is a tax for the purposes of the taxing power under the Constitution is not a tax under the Anti-Injunction Act?' 'No,' answered Verrilli. At the time, some observers found the whole thing a little boring; the real action would come the next day, when the court got to the question of whether the Commerce Clause could be stretched to include the individual mandate."

But the first day is where the fraud happened. The first day the government says it isn't a tax. The second day, the government, as a backup, said, "If you don't like the Commerce Clause, we also think it's a tax." The government was allowed to argue this both ways. The first way they were allowed to argue that it wasn't a tax so that the case would go on. The next day they were allowed to argue as a back stop, if the commerce part of it fell apart, that it was a tax. But a lot of these observers who were bored on the first and second days of oral arguments were then shocked yesterday when the chief justice rejected the Commerce Clause argument and ended up "agreeing with Verrilli that the mandate simultaneously was and was not a tax, and that therefore Obamacare would stand. Roberts joined the court's four liberal justices, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan, who seemed prepared to uphold Obamacare under any circumstances.

"Roberts' sleight of hand drove his conservative colleagues nuts. 'The government and those who support its position on this point make the remarkable argument that [the mandate] is not a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act, but is a tax for constitutional purposes,' wrote dissenters Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. 'That carries verbal wizardry too far, deep into the forbidden land of the sophists.'"

So from the get-go, this case was allowed to be sloppy, bent, shaped, flaked, and formed, however ultimately the left wanted it to be in order for it to be found constitutional or good. And, by the way, on this Commerce Clause business, folks, they didn't limit anything. They said Obamacare is not permissible under the Commerce Clause. But they didn't limit the Commerce Clause per se here. The anti-injunction act says that you cannot do a court case over a tax until it's been collected, levied and collected. Well, the tax hasn't been levied and collected. And by gosh, if the chief justice himself didn't find that the whole thing is kosher as a tax increase, a tax increase on what we don't buy, and a point that I made yesterday that I want to make again, when you pay taxes, where do you pay the money? Government gets the money. These taxes are gonna be paid to insurance companies. Is that even a tax?

You have to buy health insurance. If you don't, there's a fine. So the money that you're spending that you otherwise wouldn't, the tax, being spent with insurance companies. The tax anti-injunction act was codified title 26 US code. It was enacted in 1867. It is the law. It's never been found to be unconstitutional. The Obama administration was allowed to argue it both ways. So that however it ended up being most beneficial to them was the way the court was going to decide.

So we, who cannot be protected from the political choices we make, spend all this time debating and arguing against a piece of legislation based on the Commerce Clause. The court admits they can't find it constitutional, so guess what? We're gonna make this thing legal by calling it a tax increase. Government can do that. There's a reason nobody predicted this outcome. And the reason is nobody was thinking outside the boundaries of the law.

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RUSH: My friend, Andy McCarthy, has a piece on this at PJMedia.com. His headline is: "Obamacare Ruling: Pure Fraud and No Due Process." Here's how he opens: "Led by Chief Justice John Roberts, the Supreme Court decided that Americans have no right to due process. Indeed, the court not only upheld a fraud perpetrated on the public -- it became a willing participant." That's exactly right! This whole law has been presented fraudulently. The whole thing was a fraud.

Obamacare passed in Congress through trickery.

They used reconciliation.

They tried all kinds of tricks.

They were even thinking of "deeming" it to pass.

There was the Cornhusker Kickback.

They tried all kinds of things that ultimately didn't work because the people weren't gonna put up with it. It was upheld by the Supreme Court through trickery. "Had Obamacare..." This is Andy writing. "Had Obamacare been honestly presented as a tax, or had the court acted properly by striking it down as an illegitimate use of the commerce power and telling Congress that if it wanted to pass the bill as a tax it would have to pass the bill as a tax, our dire financial straits might have forced this much-needed debate about the limits of congressional welfare power.

"We have now lost that opportunity through fraud: Fraud in the legislative action, and fraud in the judicial review. Due process would not allow this to be done to a criminal, but the Supreme Court has decided that Americans will have to live with it." The administration presents a case to the Supreme Court that is based entirely on an individual mandate that is said to be legal because of the Commerce Cause. If Congress had wanted to pass a bill that got the same thing done with taxes, it would have done that.

It didn't do that on purpose!

They didn't want to go anywhere near tax increases on this.

Obama was out promising tax cuts to everybody. He promised lower premiums, greater health care coverage and treatment. There was no way that they wanted to talk about this as a tax, a tax increase, or anything of the sort. So the court should have adjudicated this on the basis of what was in the bill -- period -- and they didn't. Again, the chief justice wrote what I'm gonna read to you here: "Under my theory, the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance. Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income."

"Under my theory, the mandate's not a legal command to buy insurance."

That's the stretch that he had to make in order to get to where he ended up. "Under my theory, the mandate's not a legal command to buy insurance." It most certainly the hell was! And that's all it was. And that's not constitutional. It was a "command" by the federal government that we buy something. They don't have that power! The chief said, "Eh, it's not a legal command. It just makes going without insurance another thing the government taxes, which the government can do, like buying gasoline or earning income."

(sigh)

It makes you sick.

It just makes me sick.

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RUSH: Roberts says that he thougt it was his duty to save the Act no matter what. It was his duty to save the Act no matter how bad it was. He had to write it to make it legal. Sorry. I feel like the police chief in my town just had a press conference and has announced that the police force will now be assisting criminals in breaking into my property. That is how I feel.

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To: DannyTN

“That defeats the intent of the constitution and should be unconstitutional.”

They don’t care.

They were going to deem it passed, remember? That didn’t go over too well at all, so they pulled something else out of their collective ... well, you know.


101 posted on 06/29/2012 4:47:24 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: DannyTN
Can you stay away from Tennessee?

Funny. Had nothing to do with it. Although I know some of the things that caused Detroit and California to collapse. Was not my fault. For example in Detroit -

Got a call from my manager to work on a disk drive that was failing at the City of Detroit's mainframe computer room. Was not working in the City at the time. Was working at banks out in the suburbs. Told my manager that a fellow employee I knew was working there and should be able to fix the disk drive. They were about the size of washing machines back then. He told me that person was not trained on disk drives. Told him he he was wrong, because I was in the same corporate training class that taught him how to repair the disk drives. He told me, no, he was not trained on the disk drives. I said okay. And proceeded to travel to downtown riverfront area and fixed the disk drive.

Found out later what this guy had done to loss his training or certification. He worked on the disk drive without telling the operators. They were still using the drive. He apparently did a random write test on the disk drive. Deemed it was okay and did not tell the operators.

Well, it apparently was the disk drive that held the property tax records for all the homes in Detroit. People in Detroit got property tax bills with random amounts due that month. And the ones that got insane bills more or less stormed the city hall. Read about it a week or two later in the newspaper. Was not my fault.

102 posted on 06/29/2012 5:10:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: navymom1

Of all the hundreds of opinions I’ve read in the last 24+ hours, I think you got it right. I was a Navy mom, too - my son served in the 70s - and now I’m a Marine’s grandmother. I’m grateful for the soft life we’ve had in this country, but you know what? A soft life makes soft people. We are not the kind who lived here 250 years ago, and I don’t think we’re going to be. Maybe when I’m gone and my grandson is older ..... but I find it hard to expect that. All great empires have fallen.

So .... Thy Kingdom come.


103 posted on 06/29/2012 7:32:58 PM PDT by CatDancer (Too depressed to have a tag)
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To: Kaslin

Do you think GWB picked Roberts because he knew that Roberts would turn far left at a critical time?


104 posted on 06/29/2012 7:42:29 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Kaslin
Limbaugh asserted that no one predicted Roberts’ behavior. Not true. Many did, including myself last week. As long as pundits continue to assume the Emperor has cloths, continue to play along with the Alinsky’s 5th Rule - “ridicule is the most powerful weapon”), pretending that Chief Justice Marshall and Chief Justice Morrison Waite - Minor v. Happersett- didn't write their decisions confirming the common law, Republicans could gracefully escape political consequences of not vetting Obama in order to protect McCain, who was not eligible either.

Roberts, with difficulty, administered the oath of office to the president elect who told the whole world he was a naturalized citizen. Obama, this time, told the truth, but the political class had committed to the ploy, and were probably afraid to face the certain charges of racism if they honored Article II Section 1 - requiring a president to be a natural born citizen.

People have short memories, but the historical record, while assiduously scrubbed by progressive acolytes, will survive. After this generation of pundits and legislators disappears from the public sector some historian will note that Obama was our second ineligible president, after Chester Arthur. The difference between Arthur and Obama is that Arthur hid his naturalized status and his father's naturalization status - Arthurs’ father was Irish. Obamo told us all and the US Senate unanimously, including Obama, agreed in 2008, signing Resolution 511 sponsored by Clare McCAskill and Leahy, which includsd the testimony by Judge Michael Chertoff:

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.”

This was a political ploy to enable McCain to run by agreeing not to vet Obama. Nothing signed by Obama has constitutional validity, but both parties are complicit so neither dares to openly discuss it. Without an amendment to Article II section 1, Rubio is ineligible along with Obmaa and Jindal. It would take a different amendment to make McCain eligible, one like the bill Obama and Clare McCaskill tried but failed to pass in February of 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’. Can anyone believe Obama and his campaign manager, Clare McCaskill, would sponsor a new law to make McCain eligible for no reason? SB 2678 would have needed to be turned into an amendment, but it was a worthwhile amendment. The children of military citizens not born on sovereign territory, McCain's problem, are not natural born citizens, but are naturalized citizens if born on incorporated territory. That is the law, for whatever little previous law seems to mean.

Roberts knew the law when he administered the oath to Obama. That established that Roberts was anything but an originalist. With Roberts on the court as currently constituted, there is a progressive majority. Roberts has a legal obligation to refer a felony to the appropriate authority. Obama solicited campaign contributions based upon his being eligible to become president, all the while describing himself as a naturalized citizen. Our government is established upon the ignorance of the public and the tacit agreement of both major parties to exclude the pertinent legal citations from the dialog.

105 posted on 06/29/2012 9:38:58 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: roses of sharon

Right, as you say “we only deserve it if we do nothing”.So let’s ALL do something and step one is to get rid of this lousy president and the Senate leadership. This is done by every single Conservative and Republican voting for the Party nominee and then afterwards standing on their feet, right in their faces and telling them what WE, their bosses want them to do.

One or two cycles of actually backing up threats to them by tossing them from office and I believe they will be paying closer attention to what we the people have to say. Somewhere along the line these sh*theads have decided they are the boss and we work for them. This needs to be changed and 2010 was a start. e just need to keep on keepin; on.


106 posted on 06/30/2012 2:30:33 AM PDT by scram2
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To: scram2

Right on.. I’m gonna step it up.... my involvement.. yeah.


107 posted on 06/30/2012 2:34:46 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Theodore R.

Looks like the “new world order” is taking shape...


108 posted on 06/30/2012 2:38:26 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Kaslin

I left the Jehovahs Witnesses when I was 16, some of my family is still in the faith. By some respects they can claim exemptions.

I may very well claim an exemption due to religious beliefs such as no blood transfusions. I would rather say I am a Witness than a Moslem any day of the week.

Also on my grandmothers side of the family she was a descendant of the Sioux Indian nation.


109 posted on 06/30/2012 2:41:25 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: Kaslin

And today we got a notice that our insurance company is asking for up to 20% increase on our health insurance because of increased costs. It has quadrupled in 4 years already not counting this. I am livid.


110 posted on 06/30/2012 6:53:55 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: Theodore R.
May I respond though you didn't ask me?

I think you have something there.

I think the Dad Bush made it pretty clear that he was for the New World Order.

The son Bush, dim bulb that he is, is probably 100% on board, if only under pain of losing his inheritance from Dad.

Yes, the GOP appears to have been infiltrated by statists, communists, democrats, one-worlders, totalitarians, socialists... their names are different but it is mere hairsplitting.

The Bushes are a phalanx of this group charged with the mission of delivering the GOP to their camp.

When I see how Bush, Lugar, Chaffee, Snow, etc., behaved over the years, I can explain it only with this model.

And why should we be surprised?

If I were an atheist totalitarian, this would be one solid strategy to pursue. Your thoughts?

111 posted on 06/30/2012 9:04:54 AM PDT by caddie
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To: cuban leaf
I think there actually is one, but there is no way I’m going to say why, publicly.

Understand.

112 posted on 06/30/2012 10:58:23 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: mojito
And I hope to live to see that day.

Roger that. Me too.

113 posted on 06/30/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Kaslin
To be honest, I am not mad at Chief Justice Roberts. I am disappointed that he let himself get intimidated.

But did he get intimidated, or was he the intimidator?

A Marbury for our time

From the article ... the Chief Justice established some important, conservative doctrinal beachheads. He reaffirmed or established (depending on your perspective) some potentially important limits on Congress’s powers under the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, and the General Welfare Clause. Congress cannot use the Commerce Clause to regulate commerce in a manner that compels people into commerce; it can only regulate existing commerce. Further, such regulation, even if “necessary,” can never be “proper,” no matter its importance to the proper functioning of a broader regulatory scheme. And the General Welfare Clause does not permit Congress to use the states’ dependence on an existing conditional spending program as a means to forcing them to accept significant, qualitative changes to that program. Rather, states must be given the choice to accept or deny the funds associated only with the program’s modifications—at least when the program is similar in size to Medicaid.

114 posted on 07/01/2012 3:32:32 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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