Posted on 06/28/2012 1:36:31 PM PDT by stpio
The Coming US Supreme Court Decision
Via Anonymous Visionary - Locutions to the World
(yet-to-be-approved)
Nov 15, 2011
164. The Coming Supreme Court Decision
Mary:
Those in power lay truth is laid aside and pick up lies instead. Armed with lies, they believe that they can easily conquer and deceive the people. Their lies are spread out before them, like in battle array. They know which lies to send out first (to soften people up so to speak). Then, they can bring out the hard lies that will shake people's convictions and have them give up what they hold on to as true.
This is the political game which Satan, the father of lies, orchestrates so that people whom he controls can gain power. But, I know his game. I see his strategy and I know what needs to be done to foil his plots. So, let us begin. This is what I will do.
I will take the people whom he holds in his grasp and I will publicly strip them of all credibility. I will use the truth, the truth that reveals their hearts, their misdeeds and their evil intention. When you see this happen, one after another, when one after another of your political leaders and those who share their power are exposed by the truth, then you know that I am working to bring about elections that will be held in the truth.
The great MOMENT OF EXPOSURE will take place when the Supreme Court passes judgment on the health care. This will force all the truth to the surface. Nothing will be able to be hidden. It will all gush forth for all to see. This decision will be so much in the limelight that no hidden powers (the behind the scenes powers) will be able to cover up the darkness that took place. When this decision is handed down it will level off the playing field. Truth will have a chance to emerge.
In all of this, you can see that your heavenly Mother is doing all she can to make this election an election of truth. But all must do their part. Live in the truth. Demand the truth from your leaders. Propagate the truth by every possible means. There will be surprising moments and unbelievable revelations about what has happened. I am the Mother of truth.
Many Catholics say they pray to Mary, many say Oh no we don't, that is wrong. We just “ask” her to petition Jesus.
Who, btw, is the ONLY mediator between God and Man—Jesus Christ.
Why go through a middleman (Mary) when as a Christian one can go directly to God through God—God's son Jesus. (That's a trinity reference)
I see no Biblical substantiation for praying to Mary.
But then you accuse me of not knowing the Bible.
To some degree you are correct, I do not know the parts of the Bible that are NOT in it. Purgatory, praying to Mary etc.
As I have stated before, I have no problem with you and other adherents to Rome believing what you are taught.
Trying to push it on other Christians isn't necessary.
We do just fine being made white as snow with the Blood of Jesus.
David took that promise, and was made white as snow long before Purgatory was "created" many years after Jesus walked the earth.
No, I am not a Catholic.You wrote:
“I certainly didn’t mean to inspire a dig at Protestants from you. I don’t follow “they sects.””
I bet you are a member of a sect.
Let's try your tactics. I'll bet you are a member of a cult.
Very good, without any Roman qualifications.“Christianity started in the first century.”
Yes.
I do agree with your next sentence, but using the lowercase "c" for catholic. Which simply means universal.
Of course you don't, makes it easier to throw up a straw man and think it is valid.“As far as the references made, declarations of men don’t trump the Bible.”
I see no reason to believe that you know much about either.
My statement: As far as the references made, declarations of men don’t trump the Bible--stands up quite well. Quite Biblical in fact.
You wrote:
“You have made my point quite well.”
I doubt that very much.
“Many Catholics say they pray to Mary, many say Oh no we don’t, that is wrong. We just “ask” her to petition Jesus.”
Catholics don’t worship Mary. When they encounter an ignorant, bigotted Protestant sectarian who insists they worship Mary, Catholics will naturally tell the truth and say they don’t worship her. Some might even use the word “pray” rather than “worship” because they know that’s how ignorant Protestant sectarians use it.
“Who, btw, is the ONLY mediator between God and Man—Jesus Christ.”
Except that Jesus willingly shares that office with all believers - that’s how we can pray for sick friends.
“Why go through a middleman (Mary) when as a Christian one can go directly to God through God—God’s son Jesus. (That’s a trinity reference)”
Why avoid a gift given by God when it was given for your benefit? The saints are my family.
“I see no Biblical substantiation for praying to Mary.”
Many things are not explicitly or even implicitly substantiated by the Bible - including the canon of the Bible itself. Nowhere do you find an inspired table of contents.
“But then you accuse me of not knowing the Bible.”
It was not an accusation.
“To some degree you are correct, I do not know the parts of the Bible that are NOT in it. Purgatory, praying to Mary etc.”
Purgatory is clearly understood in 2 Maccabees 12 - that’s one the reasons why Protestants don’t have it in their Bibles.
“As I have stated before, I have no problem with you and other adherents to Rome believing what you are taught.
Trying to push it on other Christians isn’t necessary.”
Push? You can stop reading the posts anytime you like.
“We do just fine being made white as snow with the Blood of Jesus.”
Except you’re only guessing that happens FOR YOU based upon a 16th century interpretation of the Bible.
“David took that promise, and was made white as snow long before Purgatory was “created” many years after Jesus walked the earth.”
David also committed adultery and murdered a man. He waited in the Bosom of Abraham until the Lord freed him. Also, 2 Maccabees 12 shows Purgatory was believed in long before Jesus took flesh.
You wrote:
“No, I am not a Catholic.”
Then you’re in a sect.
“Let’s try your tactics. I’ll bet you are a member of a cult.”
Nope.
“Very good, without any Roman qualifications.”
No such thing.
“I do agree with your next sentence, but using the lowercase “c” for catholic. Which simply means universal.”
Then you have a problem with reality. The Church is a proper noun in that case. Thus, no small “c” will work.
“Of course you don’t, makes it easier to throw up a straw man and think it is valid.”
Except I used none. You’re already failing.
“My statement: As far as the references made, declarations of men don’t trump the Bible—stands up quite well. Quite Biblical in fact.”
Except you are no judge in any case.
Catholics don’t worship Mary.I never broaches that subject at all.
Take that up with who you describe as "ignorant, bigotted(sic) Protestant sectarians"
Wow you seem to be full of bitterness and hate for Christians of other denominations.
Catholics will naturally tell the truth and say they don’t worship her (Mary). Some might even use the word "pray" rather than "worship" because they know that’s how ignorant Protestant sectarians use it.Oh my, so to Catholics "pray" is the same as worship
What an interesting confession.
Do you believe, as other Catholics do, that every person-- in order to have a relationship with God, needs to come "back to Rome?"
I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.
The LDS belief system feels the same way, the only difference being that just the Mormon church is sanctioned by God.
"My statement: As far as the references made, declarations of men don’t trump the Bible—stands up quite well. Quite Biblical in fact."It doesn't take much judgement to know that what God says trumps what man says.Except you are no judge in any case.
Ok, you believe that declarations of men trump what the Bible says. Ok np now that we are clear on that.
No, it's because it's extra-Biblical.
Not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but by men that you use as authority instead of God.
Then you are in a cult.You wrote:
“No, I am not a Catholic.”(In response to asked if I am in a sect)
Then you’re in a sect.
“Let’s try your tactics. I’ll bet you are a member of a cult.”
Nope.
(Thank you for showing me how this works!)
You wrote:
“Oh my, so to Catholics “pray” is the same as worship
What an interesting confession.”
To some Protestants.
“Do you believe, as other Catholics do, that every person— in order to have a relationship with God, needs to come “back to Rome?””
I know of no Catholic who believes that. I do know Catholics believe a person will experience the fullest personal relationship when in His Body, the Church.
“I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.”
No, I don’t think you do notice that. Nor do I think you can show many examples of it.
You wrote:
“Ok, you believe that declarations of men trump what the Bible says.”
I never claimed any such thing. Why are you resorting to a straw man.
“Ok np now that we are clear on that.”
Like the typical Protestant sectarian you’re simply posting straw men.
You wrote:
“No, it’s because it’s extra-Biblical.”
Nope. It’s clearly in 2 Maccabees.
“Not inspired by the Holy Spirit, but by men that you use as authority instead of God.”
Show me where God says that 2 Maccabees is not inspired. You’ll fail of course, but that’s all you’ve done so far.
You wrote:
“Then you are in a cult.”
Nope. I’m in the Church. You might be in a cult, but most likely it is just a sect.
“(Thank you for showing me how this works!)”
Your sect was founded by a man, not God, sometime over the last few centuries.
“I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.”Here is a whole Thread on itNo, I don’t think you do notice that. Nor do I think you can show many examples of it.
Apparantly you don't spend much time in the RF.
There are many references of "coming back to Rome" or becoming a Catholic in order to go to heaven.
Do a bit of research and get back to me.
You wrote:
“Here is a whole Thread on it”
No, apparently not. Why not post a specific bit of evidence that actually points out what you’re claiming?
“Apparantly you don’t spend much time in the RF.”
I spend enough time to wonder why you would post a claim that you’ll fail in substantiating. And you have failed.
“There are many references of “coming back to Rome” or becoming a Catholic in order to go to heaven.”
No such claim matches your claim: “I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.”
Yet another straw man from you. What a shock!
“Do a bit of research and get back to me.”
No, why don’t you just prove what you claimed? I guess you can’t do it. Just remember, this was your claim:
“I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.”
the Catholic Church has always believed and professed that she is the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church that Christ founded, and that any church or denomination or individual who is not in full communion with her is to some degree separated from the Church that Christ founded.I called you on using strawman arguments more than once. And now you are using the same tactic? LOL, try to be original. Even your stawman accusations are stawmen!
I have been communicating with Catholics for years on the RF her at FR, and many have said what I have conveyed to you.
Glad you know that Chrisians don't have to be Catholics to have a relationship with God.
...the Catholic Church has always believed and professed that she is the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church that Christ founded, and that any church or denomination or individual who is not in full communion with her is to some degree separated from the Church that Christ founded.It goes into more detail.
I have experienced many Catholics stating that being Catholic is necessary to enter Heaven.
Your use of the term strawman (after I called you on using such a tactic) is exactly that, a strawman arguement.
Your propensity to catagorize any Christain who is not a Catholic as Protestant is patently false, but you continue.
You seem to be obsessed with the term "sect" and use it as a descriptor of those that don't follow the teaching of Rome.
I have never been a Protestant or Catholic, but just a Christain.
Denying that God through Jesus and the Holy Spirt can bring anyone into His kingdom is limiting our great God.
Oops, thought I lost that last one, so posted it twice... IE9 thinks there are boogymen trying to invade my comuter, so closes windows when ever it feels like it. Grrrrr.
I never claimed any such thing.
It was strongly implied as you denied that the Bible trumps the writings of men.
Scroll back and you will see that.
In fact you castigagated me for saying that about men and the Bible!
You wrote:
“I guess you missed this in the link I gave you”
I missed nothing. Nothing you linked to said this:
“I notice it is quite prevalent of followers of the Church of Rome to exclude all other Christians from being able to have that relationship with God unless they become Catholics.”
You wrote:
“It was strongly implied as you denied that the Bible trumps the writings of men.”
False. There was no implication. There was only your incorrect premise.
“Scroll back and you will see that.”
No, I won’t - because I said no such thing.
“In fact you castigagated me for saying that about men and the Bible!”
False. I “castigated” you for having a bad premise.
You failed. Again. You’ll continue to do so. Nothing more should even be expected from a Protestant sectarian.
Not being able to communicate with me without that false foundation (cult behavior btw) shows you inability to engage in reasoned debate.
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